The position of woman in islam

Freud would have a field day with Islam.

 

Science teaches no such thing. Science may reach a valid conclusion about an experimental result, if an experiment is designed and carried out properly. Science does not meddle in religion, metaphysics or morality. Like anything else, there may be people who throw the word 'science' around without justification.

 

I know this is not popular position on the human rights front. But I just hate Hate.

Pussy wussy: Is it that the Zoriah-photojournalists would not have sex the Pavarassi's would?

 

You lost me there pardner. You tryin to say somethin, just spit it out.

Any Muslim women reading this thread, just realize this: Westerners are right. Islam is wrong. Get rid of your burkha and join us. You have nothing to lose but your chains.

 

Just when you thought it was safe to go out again, a new threat to Allah fearing citizens presents itself: sorcery and witchcraft. Fortunately, the muttawa, or religious police of Saudi Arabia, are looking into the threat.
"Saudi Arabia's morality police are launching a program to combat witchcraft and sorcery, the official SPA news agency reported on Saturday.
The Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, also known as the muttawa, will create teams specially trained to eradicate the practices, deputy commission president Ibrahim al-Hoiml told SPA."
http://www.calgaryherald.com/Life/S...h+anti+witchcraft+campaign/1581559/story.html

Furthermore, these same muttawa are celebrating the wisdom of one of their own, whose daughter converted to Christianity and also posted heretical writings on the internet. He cut out her tongue, then burned her alive. Praises be to Allah, the merciful, the compassionate!
http://www.ansamed.info/en/news/ME03.@AM17434.html

 

Instead of eastern versus western standards, what about human standards? standards that no one owns anybody, and everyone is equal and deserves freedom???

 

Equality and freedom are the western standards. Whether these standards are met in practice is another question. Both rich and poor are equally free to sleep under bridges.

 

equality and freedom are HUMAN rights.

 

What a load of crap.

 

Anyone that seeks to punish or does punish someone for THOUGHTS--is a weak minded evil person.You don't need reams of discourse in order to live life in a thoughtfull and respectfull manner-------"do unto others as you would have them do unto you".I'm not of any religion--but there it is,plain and simple. All the rest of it is for weak minds and those who seek power over others and is a waste of time. As there have always been weak minds and power seekers --so shall it continue.

 

I don't know if you're Muslim or not. If not, you haven't been victimized, at least not to the extent that Islam dictates. (I don't claim that women's rights have fully been gained yet in Western society.) If you are a Muslim woman, and you go along with burkhas, Sharia law and the rest of their baggage, I feel sorry for you. You are brainwashed, or not too bright, or both.

 

Islam does not dictate that women be victimised for anything. You're only thinking about the barbaric laws in Islamic countries who control their women and work in extreme ways. I don't condone any of that, but you should be wise enough to know that it only happens like that in a small portion of the worlds Islamic communities. I agree with you that women who wear the veil should discard it, since I believe that it's a form of opression and quite frankly there isn't a passage in the Qur'an that suggests any woman should being hiding her body under a veil. The burkha is not Islamic, nor is the Sharia law you're thinking of and I don't even know what the 'rest of their baggage' means. For you to say "Westerners are right. Islam is wrong." you are very patronising and ignorant. Islam is a very beautiful religion, it's just sad that there are plenty of sick fucks and Islamic extremeists that give people like you a very narrow mind when it comes to it.

 

I don't think it's off topic to mention that Muhammad himself was a killer and a rapist. At the Battle of Khaybar in 629 AD, after his forces subdued a Jewish community which did not recognize his divine inspiration, Muhammad beheaded one of their leaders, Kinana ibn al-Rabi, and then married (that is, repeatedly raped) his widow, Safiyya bint Huyayy. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar.

Any true Muslim will tell you that the Koran is not the work of Muhammad, but literally the word of God, who used Muhammad as a mere messenger. This messenger had plenty of time to kill and loot those who didn't see him as a Prophet, but rather as a thief. Muslims in the last 1400 years have a record of intolerance that makes the Spanish Inquisition look like the work of amateurs.

 

Has anybody considered that Islam is now something like Christianity in the Middle ages....

They'll become better with time... ROFL.... LOL.... Not that Christians are great now.... ROFL...

Spread love and true spirituality and do not kill raped women and shit like that...


Peace ..

 

What I don't get is why humans waste so much of their lives adhering to so many rules and strictures ,christian,jew,muslim whatever--about an "afterlife" that may or may not exist ,to the detriment (in my opinion)of the only life that can be proven to exist. I still say"do unto others as you would have them do unto you"---is perfect and is all anyone needs.

 

Yeah, I thought that was pretty off topic.

Safiyya bint Huyayy was attacked by her husband Kinana ibn al-Rabi when she claimed to have a dream where the moon fell into her lap. Her husband saw it as a sign that she wanted to marry Mohammed so he hit her and left a scar.

Kinana ibn al-Rabi was tortured for the whereabouts of a treasure but it was never found. After his death, Safiyya bint Huyayy converted to Islam and married Mohammed.

Mohammed certainly killed and faught wars, but it's believed he retaliated and didn't attack withour reason. Him being a rapist is just a theory. Who knows? I wasn't around back then and I'm sure there's a lot left out of our history books. But to call a prophet a murderer and a rapist is pretty derogatory to Muslims. You have absolutely no reason to hate.

 

[Post deleted because I think my account has been hacked and someone is altering my messages.]

 

Let's put ourselves in Safiyya's place. Her husband has been beheaded by Muhammad or his troops, and the village of Khaybar (her village) is now in their control. Muhammad says he wants her for one of his wives. Do you seriously think she has a whole lot of choice? I think rape is more than a theory here.
Whether or not I hate Muslims, the Jews of the seventh century had plenty of reason to do so.

 

Okay, now you're just making things up. The Muslims immediately took pitty on her, looked after her and sympathised with her. Mohammed married her and she was taken care of. They didn't even fuck, she was on her period. When they did consumate their marriage, she was willing. When did he rape her? You're just being disrespectful and attacking Islam all together, "yeah well he was a murderer and a rapist" is such a low thing to say about anyones prophet.

And the Muslims hated the Jews, and they faught back and forth before that and even after that. The battle took place between two sides and the Jewish lost. I wonder what your opinion would be had the Jewish won?

 

there sure is alot of personalized persecutions of religious choices in here..