I was just wondering your guys' opinions on MDMA. I honestly can say it is one of the best experiences in life, at least to me. I don't know how people go their whole lives without trying it... What do you guys think? I know there can be some ugly sides of the drug but I've only rolled four times on clean molly and don't really seem to get much of a comedown except like Sunday nights after a Friday rave are a little depressing. Anyone else fascinated by the effects of the drug?
100% agree! My experiences have been all positive with little or no come down effects! If you're smart about how you take this drug and don't abuse it, MDMA can be an incredible experience every time!
I am fascinated by the effects of MDMA. MDMA's ability to elicit and balance emotional, mental and sensorial psychedelic effects with fear reducing, disinhibited effects is amazing! I find the consistently empathic mindstate can lead to profound openness and communication with the right people breaking down social barriers. I also find MDMA very reliable at bringing me to an experience of 'infinite now' as well as reach profound states of trance. I also love music and MDMA Makes me feel incredibly connected, enveloped and inspired by music.
Completely agree. I love the way that it makes you feel towards others and being in an environment where almost everyone is rolling is such a unique experience. I'm hoping that responsible use will allow me to roll without lessened effects. I don't know if this is just me but I never really seem to have the typical first time is the best and I'm trying to chase the experience every time. If I wait about two months or so in between and find high quality MDMA every experience is amazing. It's possible that I never really got that first experience since the first time I used it, it was cut with meth. Regardless, it blows my mind every time. What are your opinions on MDMA in a non-rave environment?
I really enjoy MDMA in an intimate enviornment, the experience tends to be more serene overall, except maybe for like sex but even that has this spiritual tantric quality on MDMA which feels like something more profound then giving into raw animal desires. I've really had some great emotionally opening experiences with close girl and guy friends outside the rave enviornment. I've enjoyed walking trails and the beach. I also enjoy some rock shows too but I agree with you that Raves definitely cater to the MDMA experience in unique ways, it feels like most good raves are fine tuned to accentuate the experience. I also have found my first roll was not necessarily my best MDMA experience. One thing I don't care for too much in a recreational sense is rolling by myself. MDMA's trippiest sensory effects I find are tactile and aural, and while listening to music can be good solo it doesn't have the same power as listening to it through speakers at a rave with a bunch of other people rolling and turned on and rubbing your own legs together is nowhere near as impressive as a massage or even just a hug from others. I find myself usually craving some company the few times ive rolled solo. I think without some kind of direction to the experience as in MDMA therapy say, where a therapist is present even, MDMA doesn't have the focus of standard stimulants nor as mind bending as heavier psychedelics which doesn't satisfy me much with solo rollings. I think this is a good thing though because it likely limits my use and keeps it special.
I definitely agree on raves catering to the experience. I've never rolled solo and probably don't plan to. I also haven't rolled in a non rave environment because there's a rave almost every weekend and I like to wait about 2 months between rolls and I feel like rolling at home would be kind of a waste if you get what I'm saying. It sucks to see all these raves go by that I can't roll at so right when I can again I usually do and don't consider using it at home. There's something about meeting new people and being in a crowd that makes the feeling of unity so great. Plus I'm sort of scared of losing the magic and don't want to have any experiences that aren't reaching the full potential.
You know, even if the first experience is never recaptured, the blessing is that there was a first time. (I think we all understand that we're talking about again experiencing the magic of that experience.) Spacing to every few months seems like a good idea, but hard to do during festival season. Yes, beautiful medicine (inspiration for my sigline)
MDMA is such a unique and powerful experience . . . I really rarely do it for this reason! (limited supply)
The best way to use MDMA is sporadically. But I think allot of people (myself included) go through an early "honeymoon" period where you do it often. It's not addicting in the way of heroin but mentally you feel SO fantastic you want to feel that way all the time. My first two times rolling was actually back to back days. I ended up eating about 60-70 good pills in a 12-18 month period. That probably does not sound like allot to some people. Now I only use it a few times a year max. I still consider it one of the best drugs I have done. My experiences on it come second only to psychedelics. My first time on MDMA I thought "this must be the nirvana Buddha described, I am at peace and feel love and understanding for all things". My first trip was "I can feel the presence of a higher spiritual energy". While I definitely have some insight on MDMA it just does not open up strange and new perspectives and ideas like tripping. But if we are talking Molly's trippy cousin MDA then we have the openness and love of MDMA (to a lesser extent) and a the mind warp of tripping.
I see this discrepancy you make between MDMA and psychedelics a couple times in recent threads. I realize MDMA has been labelled with a few classifications but I'm not sure how you don't view that MDMA experience as psychedelic. So is the essence of psychedelics strangeness for you? I guess it depends on how one views the term psychedelic "mind manifesting." Experiencing the thoughts of the Buddha seems more psychedelic to me than seeing a double headed polar bear dancing with a goat in a tutu or something.
Well MDMA has never produced the visual effects it does for some people. For example the light show is not enhanced. It looks cool but it would be more enhanced by LSD. But I don't classify psychedelics as only seeing crazy things. MDMA has that ability to open your mind but if I had to pick only psychedelics or MDMA for the rest of my life I would pick psychedelics. It would be a close race but MDMA would have be #2. I don't see things from a new perspective on MDMA, just very clear from my existing prospective. I just feel more rooted to reality. For example the guy who discovered the DNA molecule structure on LSD. I can't imagine he would have been able to do that on MDMA. His mind would have been locked into a path where he had not seen that. Had he taken MDMA he may have had some wonderful conversation and insight but it would not be the same.
The primary way I experience MDMA is as a euphoriant empathogen (not to mention danceogen!!!) with a psychedelic healing dimension. That's based on about 20 rolls with usually pretty good spacing. I think I said earlier that my sigline is MDMA-based. Is that psychedelic? I think so, but not in the same way nor of the same MAGNITUDE as LSD.
If you see hallucinogens as synonymous with psychedelic I can see how MDMA might not be considered a psychedelic but then I think you'd have to eliminate several other chems from this category as well which currently aren't disputed, even then raves are filled with glowsticks, novas, microlights, poi's all which increase visuals effects for many on MDMA. I've probably 'tripped' just as if not harder from getting those type of light shows on MDMA than I have from LSD. MDMA doesn't have the ability to spontaneously produce the visual effects like LSD, but neither do several other psychedelics. I doubt anyone would argue the psychedelic status of 5-meo-dmt, it's generally considered one of the heaviest psychedelics, yet it produces little to no visual phenomena for some. If you could only pick 25I-nbome or MDMA, you'd chose 25I-nbome? So New perspective is your essence of psychedelic? As I mentioned prior, I find the headspace MDMA brings me to fascinating. It's certainly a headspace that seems more emotionally driven rather than as mindbending as some trips such as LSD, but I find that fairly common among Phenethylamine Psychedelic and with my understanding of the body/mind connection, I still view that as primarily driven by mental processess or mind. Not trying to persuade you here, just relating my experiences but still curious as to what your essence of psychedelic is... Moderate doses of Mescaline feel very similar in many ways to MDMA for me and it's a clear headed experience as well compared to like LSD, again I don't think mescaline's status of psychedelic would be questioned. As far as the discovering DNA while under the influence of LSD, There has never been an admission by the guy who discovered DNA that he was on LSD. I'm not saying it's necessarily myth either but it kind of gets perpetuated as fact, but by many accounts the discovery of DNA had well been established by the time the guy was turned onto LSD. However, I certainly don't deny LSD has been an influence on many different creative processes. I also think LSD has a wider spectrum of psychedelic effects than MDMA, I still find MDMA to fall within the spectrum of psychedelic effects and the effects it does produce it does it damn well. If you are to incorporate all senses into a psychedelic experience rather than just visuals, again I think the tactile effects, audio effects, emotional opening and dissolution of social barriers prompted by MDMA are unsurpassed. MAPS (Multipdisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies) founded by Rick Doblin was created after his use of MDMA. His experiences helped him pursue founding this organization as he had the foresight to see how a then legal MDMA was going to be legislated and attempted to make it FDA regulated. This orginization which has not only benefited many people directly but continues to shine light on our understanding of many different psychedelics. This may not be necessarily identical to a creative process as LSD as you envision but the result I think has not only helped us better understand MDMA but all psychedelics and how they interact with people. I find this excerpt by Ralph Metzner really interesting, this is from when they were trying to give a specific classification to MDMA:
I can see MDMA as having the power to change lives, both in terms of clinical therapeutic use and in its ability to take people to previously unimagined places - better places.
I've used MDMA to work thru some depressing things. The experience allowed me to work thru them and deal with them and ultimately move on.
No in that case I would pick MDMA. I don't consider NBOME to be a decent psychedelic. Yes to me it's all about the fresh perspective. I had not heard that it was not an admitted fact about the DNA. I have heard there is a new moment to legalize MDMA among the psychiatric community. Especially with all the PTSD with soldiers coming home. With weed legal in some places and the world no ending other drugs are the new frontier. This domino effect is just what some people feared but to me it is awesome.
That's an interesting idea Guerr - what are people's ideas about the essence of the psychedelic experience?
I agree the md is the perfect love.Never will disapoint u.But a lot of time when I end up in a club with some osome techno music I will be beside an alcoholic or weed person that will ruin my night.I try to escape of these people and find common souls. (U know what I mean).
