the paranormal in pics? (orbs)

do ya'll ever watch ghost hunters on the sci fi channel? it's awesome. i especially love the way they go outta their way to figure out how orbs could be photographed using the air clutter, like spray insulation and stuff. what's so great about it is that when they believe, they really believe, no bullshit. it's pretty cool. they've done some good work.

 

answering pro jumbo.i am of spirit not science.you make a valuable point (window theory).but i know the difference between paranormal photography and non paranormal photography. hope you keep on trying to scientificly prove that these photographs are not paranormal (i dont need to justify that there not paranormal)i know they are. ...................................... what gets me tho scientists will talk and talk(trying to convince themselves)....at the end of the day they still cannot prove that most of these photo/s are not paranormal...................................ARE THEY IN FEAR OF THE SPIRIT WORLD?.................why is that then............? photo below will be described as ciggy smoke(big ciggy again)go on professors convince yourselfs...................................you can fool some of the people sometimes / but not all of the people all the time..................................THERE IS A SPIRIT WORLD.

 

Well the window theory works for the kind of photos posted by Miami Musician. I'm sure that it works for other photographic anomolies as well but in this particular instance I am only applying it to Miami Musician's photos. It is a fairly common occurance and his pics demonstrate it perfectly. As for the photos that you posted I would need more information to be able to say anything very meaningful.

Now as to your thing about scientists not being able to prove that your photos are NOT paranormal. Well, no scientist worth his beans tries to prove that things are not. What scientists do is try to develope theories which positively explain natural phenomena. If you make the claim that you have ghost photos then the burden of proof is on you. You must provide postive, compelling, concrete, testable evidence in favor of your claim. In short, you must "prove it", the argument "I don't know what it is therefore for it is a ghost" is not sufficient. In fact it is just as fallacious as the claim "We don't know how the pyramids were built, therefore space aliens built them". Oh, and please no anecdotal "evidence", you can find anecdotal evidence for every absurd claim under the sun.


p.s. We do actually know how the pyramids were built, and no it was not space aliens who did it.

 

i have been discussing this subject for many years now.i am not gonna keep repeating meself.as for you saying the burden of prove is on us who have these photographs(why should that be)personally i believe the burden is on the scientists.this is the thing "when scientists think they know the answers"everyone gets told .when certain things puzzle them (they throw it back )and say we need the proof.a no win situation if yer like. to finish on this pro jumbo i know that these photographs are paranormal(i dont need to fiddle with this gadget and that gadget)to try and prove otherwise. ps=quote we do actually know how the pyramids were built 1=who are you referring to as (we know)? 2=do you have proof(or is this another theory)?........................

 

lets whipe our lenses with toilet paper and put or finger on the edge of our lense and say its a ghost of some kind!!

 

well you may well want to do that.(pretty pointless really tho )dont yer think?,.if you really think i travell for miles (just to do that)then hey)you think that man.you must be on some good shit.keep thinking like that maaaan................i really dont know how yer thought up that THEORY( very good ). ps have yer ever thought of becoming a scientist?..........................

 

The reason that that burden of proof is on the person making the positive claim is that were it the other way around as you suggest it should be then literally every positive claim no matter how absurd would have equivalent logical validity. Here is an example. I will claim that giant evil inter-dimensional bananas are controlling the world's goverments. An absolutely absurd claim to be sure. Now I need to provide testable, positive, compelling evidence for my claim as the burden of proof would be on me. Since I cannot do this my claim should be dismissed as a bunch of hooey, as it should be.

Now, were the burden of proof on the person refuting my bannana claim here is what would happen. The refutor would have to provide testable, postive, compelling, concrete evidence that NO giant evil inter-dimensional bannanas were controlling the world's governments. Unfortunately, it is logically impossible to provide that kind of evidence for a negative claim. Therefore, the claim that NO banannas were controlling the government's would have to be discarded and my original theory would be considered vaild. This would be absurd in the extreme.

Now, when scientists think that they know the answer to something everbody gets told; yes you are correct in this. However, those same scientists make their reserach data (which is always extensive) avaiable to whomever wants to look at it and check up on them. Sometimes it happens that flaws are found and the scientists have to go back and start over again. Of course scientists say that they need proof when things puzzle them, that is part of how science works. 1.Scientist is puzzled by a particular phenomena. 2.Scientist looks for existing theories to explain said phenomena. 3.Scientist rejects such thoeries if they lack supporting evidence.

I am not saying that your photos are not paranormal. What I am saying is that you have not provided enough information here in order for anybody to be able to say much of anything about them other than that they look cool (and they do look pretty cool)

"We" (as an historically interested society) have copius amounts of evidence as to the methods and materials used by the Egyptians to build the pyramids. But that is another topic and a long one. I suppose that you could start another thread about it and I would post more there. I should have know that I was asking for trouble with that pyramid quip.

 

quote=a giant evil inter-dimensional bananas are controlling the worlds goverments......................i think it could be lemons pro j . seriously tho i do understand what yer saying. other paranormal photographs have been proved to be that(paranormal).

 

well, the way i figure it, too many people believe too easily in photos that can be easily reproduced. i'm not discounting the possibility, nor am i completely jumping on the believer bandwagon.

 

professor jumbo has a point. i thought one of the jobs of a paranormal investigator was to exhaust all "normal" explainations before accepting a paranormal one. it can't be "proven" paranormal if the investigator simply insists "i am a person of spirit, i don't owe any explanations to you." a serious investigator is seriously interested in exhausting all normal explanations of a phenomena, not just hanging out in graveyards and freaking themselves out. they have to be people of science and spirit.

i've know many people claiming to be paranormal investigators, who were really just into hanging around old houses and acting spooky. very few are seriously interested in doing the actual work required in a real investigation. brushing off questions or scientific explanations with "i am a person of spirit, not science" doesn't seem very propfessional to me. i'd sooner call the ghostbusters.

miami musician, if that is a dirty lens you should make a better effort to keep it clean, because it'll scratch. found that out the hard way with an older camera & a rather expensive lens.