The Nbome series explained in depth

Dear users of this forum and other readers, I have joined this forum to give you some information about the Nbome series which probably has not been available yet. This is an in depth analization about hundreds of extreme personal experiences with dosages going as high as 18mg, as well as the more ‘’regular doses’’, their mental effects and their effects on the body, and the brain(as I and other around me have perceived it)
I beg the admins of this forum to make this topic stick out here, as people are often misguided about this substance and it is probably good if the users get this information here at one point or another. Also, with this topic I do not recommend it, but I also will not say ‘’don’t do it’’. If you have decided to do it, I’m here to give the directions on how to do this the right way.


My experience


So my first experience with psychedelics was P.Cubensis, I did it when I was about 15 years of age, but as I was so young, I did not get much of it and though it was a good experience I was not keen on doing them again for a long time.

Then a year and a half…or maybe more back I met someone who had access to LSD, mushrooms, MDMA crystal, and many other substances like that. I have experienced great doses of all these substances (1500mics of LSD, 9 grams of Cubensis, 1.2g of pure MDMA crystal…also to add I have tried many different combinations and also combined these substances with speed, cocaine..and marijuana to name a few) I have done all this with my girlfriend, and other people around me. I am telling this not to show off but for reads to understand that I have many far-going experiences on this subject and thus came at one point the same doses using Nbome.

Also to note, we are not one of those ‘’street’’ junkies who have nothing else to do with their lives but put weird substances in their bodies. I did well in high school. I am now studying music, me and my girlfriend we study yoga, travel, I do some acting work. We are surrounded by amazing artists and people who can enjoy life. We live a harmonious and happy life and the drugs have in no way set us off the track.

Now to Nbome – It is sort of strange to say, but my first experience with 25I-Nbome was 11,5mg. That is because we did not know what we were taking. We thought it was LSD and had not tripped for two months so we decided to take up the ultimate experience. We had two friends to watch us for the first half hour to make sure we would make it. Things went a bit different though. Just as we took in the blotters, we were called by a friend who was investigating what this thing is that we got. He told us simply – don’t take those, they will kill you. That was it. Already before the call my girlfriends body started shaking and I threw up. Our two friends were quite scared (they did not know that we had experienced this before with extreme doses of LSD) and combined that with the phone call..they started talking behind our backs whether they should call the Emergency or not..or how to stop this terrible death. It became really uncomfortable for us and eventually we had to impolitely throw them out since if we were gonna die anyway then please would you let us do it the right way. We experienced a body load beyond explanation. We were unable to speak, move, we used only one word and the other would understand the sentence. There were buzzing noises, orbs flying across the room, every cell in our body was electrecuted with intense pleasure. This was the first hour and a half, which is always the hard time. Once this was finished, we understood quite well that we are not gonna die and are currently going through the most amazing experience in our lives. We did have contact with some energies and maybe some beings from other planes, we discussed philosophy beyond belief. But I am not about to enter that subject right now. Then we went for a walk outside. It was intensely raining and quite stormy. About 8 degrees C outside. We had nothing else on than a shirt and some random jeans…and shoes. As we were walking outside we saw the trees communicating with electric signals through the ground just like in Avatar. A signal eminated from our footsteps and was sent to the nature around us. We went to a kids playground, swinging. We were out in this rain for about and hour and a half – two hours. We did not get cold, we did not get sick and as it was our first experience we were not very exhausted even in the morning. When we made it home we called our friends to let know we are safe and what we just went through. We found our way to sleep quite easily after we came from the walk. Now I am not here to compare the visuals of this substance to the visuals of LSD or some very specific physical effects. You can find information about this on other topics and also I do not find this as relevant. The mental state and where it takes you is what I am talking about. Plus the physical side.

Now I am not about to give any further specific trip reports, but tell you about the long term effects. Through the year and a half I have gotten hold of different Nbome products, and probably I am not knowledable enough to give you specifics on different products, as I never really looked into which specific ones are they. I do know specificly about 25I and 25C as I have looked those blotters up the net and found the vendors.

Following this amazing experience I continued to have many more with doses equal to this and even as large as 18mg(but this one not at once, but during the same evening). And as small as 500 micrograms and used it to go dancing in the club(not recommended for crowded parties and/or for beginners) After going large in dose I still find the ‘’small’’ experiences just as rewarding..they just have a very different effect on you. When taken in truly great doses LSD, shrooms and Nbome alike take you to a quite similar place, It’s the small doses and physical effects that make the difference.

As far as tolerance build up is concerned..it is kind of strange with Nbome. If you only use it once you might not notice any tolerance build up. When you add a second or third time during a short period, it becomes quite obvious. But even so, It might happen that you are expecting huge tolerance and then completely underestimate the dose, because sometimes the tolerance if affecting you and sometimes it simply is not and you get an experience you were not prepaired for. Also the tolerance builds up quite instantly after the first ones are taken in. So as me and my GF were tripping for 24 hours straight, we had to take 4mg simply not to fall asleep, we did not have any other effects at that point. All in all, to trip for 24 hours it took us 20mg.

Now I will tell you about the negative aspects of Nbome.

Especially in small doses, the body load becomes an issue for trippers. It creates a sort of tingling sensation and many people are restless during use. It is hard to focus on anything and sometime hard to be satisfied with whatever you are doing. This body load can be surpressed by meditation for the first one and a half hours which makes the body calm. That is what I do but probably it is not something a usual tripper would have the energy for…to turn the trip inwards…many are more like victims to the chemical than those who lead it. For these persons, I will give and answer later on, but for now all I can say is you just have to accept it.

Also, people talking about ‘real’ physical side effects such as a racing heart, muscle tensions and others. I have muscle tensions myself and have experienced the racing heart. It happens, but actually nowhere near to a dangerous degree. It’s just that once you focus upon it it becomes worse and worse…or if you have some uncleared emotional/mental mess in you it might not at all appear mentally, but physically, and yes, this I real enough to damage people’s health. It is not okay to hide stuff in you when you are tripping. I am sure there are people who are super sensitive to this and there is no way to tell if you are one of them. For them the physical effects are probably real. But for many who experience the feeling of having their life in danger, heart racing and other problems, it is psychosomatic. Their mental stress or the need to explain everything logically is appearing physically. But one way or another, can it actually be dangerous? YES. Physical problems you create for yourselves are just as real, but you must understand that to get rid of them you do not start stuffing medicine in you, but have a mental approach to it and see what is going on inside you.

While mushrooms and LSD quite obviously shove your problems in your face and have you deal with them(if you are sensitive enough), Nbome is in that way a little different, which is also why many people consider it ‘’unspiritual’’. (Note: It is surely not as deep and spiritual as LSD and mushrooms on itself, but using it the right way can give you excellent results nevertheless. And if you go higher in doses, there really is no major differences in the mental side provided that you do this the right way)

Nbome may put you in emptiness, meaning that you have nothing in your head but the strange body buzz and unhappiness with the situation. It is not a particularly horrible experience, but it is tiring to wait for this all to end. Nbome probably won’t give you a bad trip filled with demons and whatever, but rather show you you own uncomfort. Also, it might show you personal problems physically, meaning that if in your mind you have a problem that you cant accept the love of other people, suddenly your throat starts getting tensions or your leg cramping. Here you must know how to say NO to the effect. You just got to find the mental reason for it and tell your body to stop putting suffer on itself. Many people do not find a way for this and keep on seeing it as a negative substance. Your choice completely, I am not here to discourage you nor advise this. But if you find the way to communicate with the trip you reach amazing states.

Long term effects

But now probably comes the most important problem of them all – the after effects.

The after effects are not usually felt upon first usages, except for people who have a very bad diet, weak bodies or lack of vitamins and minerals. People usually feel quite good the next day. But this is not the case with prolonged use. The more you do it the harder it becomes for your body. For me, after one and a half years(and right now I am using it about weekly), my body feels burning in the morning, my throat feels burning and dehydrated constantly, not only after use. At some point before it certainly affected my immune system and I started getting ill. I got rid of most of the things later on. But I’ll continue with the list – It is very hard on the kidneys as well, need for constant urination. Loss of appetite with some specific Nbome’s. Burning sensations in the brain after extreme doses. Generally the feeling of an electric chair the next day combined with weakness.

What to do with the negative effects?

Now I will tell you about some of the solutions. 1) do not use the substance – easy as that, if you feel better off without it, please don’t be a bitch to your own body and mind 2)Constant drinking during the trips – this will help a bit against dehydration, but the problem actually is not about that, so the help is minor 3)lead a healthier diet and have more rest – if you don’t have any deficiencies on your body, you will not get the after effects, cause Nbome leads to extreme mineral deficiencies in your body, which also creates the idea of dehydration. 4)Use of Creatine Monohydrate – This is a supplement used by bodybuilders and athletes to get more muscle mass and better performance. What is actually does is accumulate more water in the cells of your body so your body can function better, and can also process food better in that way. This will generally enhance your system to be more healthy. Of course this is not a magic cure. It will aid quite a lot, but do not expect all the side effects to go, if you are using often it still is of some help though.

5) Use of magnesium and potassium .To my research this seems to be the greatest cure, I tried this a short time ago, and it does work miracles. Nbome takes huge amounts of those minerals out of your body, which is responsible for the body load and the bad feelings the next day or when the trip is over. Taking 300mg of protassium and 500mg of magnesium just before I started with the trip was enough. I experienced no body load at all with the dose of 3mg. Moreso, usually when the effects of the trip start leaving, the huge stress on the body comes in. Sweating, dehydration, need to urinate often, burning sensations, no possibility of sleep (as mentioned before the side effects get much worse with repeated use, beginners probably will not experience anything near as intense). This time, 5 hours into the trip I was able to fall asleep fine, no sweating, no dry throat, no problems at all basically. In the morning I did need two glasses of water and a shower. That is all, so if anyone is going to experiment with these chemicals, find a way in your budget to add these supplements to your trip. They are cheap and make an amazing difference, they all the things away that people warn you about and the substance is no longer a danger to your body Take care of your self.

Now some comments about the deaths and hospitalisations . Deaths have all seemed to occur with the nasal insufflation of the substance. Hospitalisations have also been using the blotter for and usually it regard the super sensitive people, or people who have those extreme mineral deficiencies in their bodies. As far as doses and dangerousness is concerned – told previously I have taken most, 11,5 milligrams at once, I’ve had first time users who go as far and 18mg during the night, or 10mg at once, and they have all ended up fine. I have a user who took 2mg and is still having nightmares, since she was simply not ready for the emotional and mental burden she received, it was quite a tragedy for her what she found out about herself. I know people who take extremely small doses and all they do Is complain about the body high and uncomfort. I know the deaths and hospitalisations have occurred on much smaller dosages. I know of no deaths with sublingual use. So there is no definitive way of saying how certain amounts affect you, but it seems smaller amounts are more dangerous because then the person has the chance to fight back thus making it worse. Also, there is no way to tell if you are super sensitive to this or not, so please do not take the risk to take 10mg on first use only to find out you are gonna die. It is not what you want to do.

Also as mentioned before, it might be a very traumatising on someone who is mentally very unstable or weak. Do not recommend this to all your friends if you think it is so great. Take a moment to think wheter that person is fit for it or need some personal development and preparation before use.

Conclusion

As you see, there are both positive and negative aspects to this substance. By using this substance I have had healing powers to heal myself and other people, I have seen my girlfriend’s spirit..and mine. We have experienced perfect fusion on a spiritual level, becoming one. Many people have had their lives change by attending the group trips I have done. Many more are extremely thankful for what it has done to them. We experience perfect love, have met many beings and now are physically going to an amazing spiritual journey around the world. These things can give you a whole different life and make you love people and do things you never imagined possible. Or you can end up really really bad as described earlier.

I recommend you live a happy, loving and most of all a healthy life. Eat good unprocessed food, take your vitamins, sleep well. Find time to be in silence and peace with yourself. Do not take these thing recklessly as then the things described above will happen. I am talking from experience. Take the advice I gave for you and use it for all the best, enjoy your lives, and if you have any further questions write to me and I will happily answer and help.

I will NOT, though, give you information about where to get the substance, whether it’s ‘’cool’’ or not, and also do not start bombing me down nervously with ideas like ‘’your story is fake and faggots like you should burn themselves’’. Please respect the information given and try to get out of it what is important for you.
Many thanks for your time and enoy your experience in life

 

Good explanation. At least one benefit of the distribution of these new research chemicals is that it means we learn what they do.

Personally, I don't feel that I've had any of these nbome-related side effects, but I have to say I didn't really like the drug very much -- except one trip (but that time it was bad acid that I only later found out to be nbome, so I think that trip was just fun because I was on a hit of 25c and a couple hits of acid).

Then again, I've been feeling some rather unsettling effects on my brain in recent months -- but I was dosed with someunknown compound that resembles PCP, so I thought it was the after effects of that. Maybe nbome's are having something to do with it.

How many people are reporting these nbome side-effects?

I think they're decently worthwhile drugs, but I honestly just prefer acid.

e: holy fuck 11.5 mg. No wonder you've got after effects. Holy shit that's a lot

 

The thing with side effects is that they come on with repeated use. I have been using it about weekly for a year and a half now (of course longer and shorter breaks as well). But to note, it does not matter much how long the intervals are (unless they are years apart I guess), If you do it the first 10 times, probably you won't notice the side effects even if you take 11,5mg. People are fine with these dosages when beginning. When long into it, even 1mg causes a lot of bad feelings. That is because it takes water and minerals that hold water out of your cells, and your body sort of start becoming dryer. And drinking more won't help much.

It may be the Nbome's that make your brain feel strange. You can test this. If you take for example about 700 milligrams of Magnesium, and you feel a healthy buzz in your head or body then probably your body is needing it and you may be sure it was the nbome. If you feel no changes, probably the problem is somewhere else.

How many people report the effects? Well usually the more sensitive people will start feeling them after the very first uses, but for a healthier body as mentioned before, they may not feel anything for the first 6 months or so. I think about half the people I know report similar side effects with doses higher than 2mg. Some are very much bothered by it, some just don't give a damn about that

 

I can commend your intent, but fear you are reckless in your approach and dosing.
Further, large dosing/habitual use does NOT connote knowledge such as you are referring too in regards to long term use and subsequent physiological consequences.
In short, getting high a lot on the stuff doesn't make you an authority on the medical causes and effects as you are implying here, and as such renders your advice a bit on the "take with a big grain of salt" category.

Links to actual research supporting your claims of mineral depletion and such would help considerably.
I don't think your story is fake and that faggots like you should burn, it just sounds like you are making a lot of assumptions and unclear/unsubstantiated connections, and are essentially using your use/abuse of this substance as qualification for dispensing medical advice.

Your length of use is far from long enough to determine lasting effects.
LSD-25 was tested extensively and rigorously for over 7 years before being deemed safe for human use and released by Sandoz.

If you have research supporting what you say, great, but if not let's keep it within the realm of opinion/personal experience because frankly your "advice" isn't all that safe or sound.
Be aware of who/how old your potential audience may be.
KIDS! STAY AWAY FROM nBOMES!!!!!



I would love to hear Mr. Writers and GB's input on this one, seeing they both possess more technical/specific knowledge of this substance than I.

 

Interesting shit.. personally, I'm still a little sceptical.. it doesn't seem like very solid evidence, more like "this worked, not sure why.. but lets keep doing it and hope for the best."

How did you find out about the magnesium and potassium?


And, a healthy lifestyle is beneficial full stop. I'd still prefer to date Lucy, chomp fungus and all the rest, and not compromise the healthiness for a designer drug that is potentially fatal.. but, that's just me. Rep for taking the time to share anyway


Edit: You're pretty quick for an old git, Mr. Gas

 

That is good for you for finding transformative, healing properties in these chems and bringing a fairly balanced perspective of your Nbome experiences to HipForums. I certainly don't doubt these types of experiences you mention can be elicited from the Nbome's, however I really hope you are informing the others that join you in your sessions of the reported overdoses, negative effects, short term of human use/research and encourage them to seek out more information before suggesting they participate in dosing in your group trips.

I am somewhat skeptical of some of your claims as well, although I applaud the goals you are trying to achieve. I can relate with the desire to explore a variety of chems/plants and find those which may appeal to different aspects of your psyche, be easier to work with or navigate in certain aspects. I think as a psychonaut if you want to call it that, it can be very rewarding for one's personal journey. Since I've been summoned :sultan: and your post seems fairly well thought out... I'll respond to a few specific passages that make me particularly leery with your views/approach based on my own Nbome experiences and knowledge of these chems in mind...

I don't find anything in this section that I disagree with necessarily, but I bring it to your attention as with this passage you can see a great deal of variability in reactions and I'm assuming that these are pretty much strictly from your trips. This issue with uncertainity in tolerance is just one variable with the NBome's, which we can extrapolate to exemplify what is a tremendous amount of reported variability in response in all different aspects of these chems.

Even if we put the overdoses aside for a minute, There have been a substantial amount of relatively healthy users who have had acute negative reactions from Nbome trips. Reports of persistent vasoconstriction, memory impairment, anxiety, derealization/depersonalization, etc. have been reported even after only one use and infrequent use, which sometimes take weeks to recover from. Some of these negative reactions could likely be reduced or avoided altogether if Nbome didn't get passed off as other drugs. I'd speculate a fair amount of users who experience these reactions are poly drug users so these affects may be exacerbated by other drugs and it can likely be reduced if there is attention paid to set/setting and respecting the chems, however acute negative reactions do occur.

There is a possibility that some of these supplements and what not could be effective but again I think there is likely a tremendous amount of variability in response. These supplements may not be a significant aid for all and just as you mentioned negative psychosomatic affects, we can entertain the idea that taking something like a supplement may provide positive psychosomatic affects. Nothing particularly wrong with that if it works for you but realize that it may not work for everyone and the advantages you have mentioned to using this supplement seems like it would likely not have a significant impact on someone struggling with some of the psychological perils that have been reported from Nbome Trips, not to mention that the particular supplement may come with it's own possible negative interactions.

 

So first I'll respond to NoxiousGas and MeatyMushroom -

I do not have the exact medical research. But I have read about the hospital reports of the hospitalizations, where doctors report near-lethal deficiencies of prograssium and magnesium. To add to that, I had all the symptoms of extreme prograssium and magnesium deficiency myself until I doscovered the issue and got it solved very quickly. But of course, this is only my reading and experience.
Furthermore, there simli isn't much medical research on it. I just try to give what I have experienced and found.

I'll add here, for the readers who might be young and brave, that dosages just as 3g may be lethal for ultra sensitive people, so yes, be careful!

Now to Guerillabedlam -

These variables you mentioned after the forst quote can be noticed only within my own experiences, and of course many other people using this around me. There are even first time users who take 4mg and do not feel anything. There have been occasions where a person, expecting extreme tolerance, takes a moderate dose to just get a little ''feeling'' and ends up unable to to anything but lie in bed and unable to connect to anything because he found himself in a trip that intense. Once more a warning for people to be careful with these things! EDIT: And yes many other factors of the trip also are variable, especially during first uses. Now, quite a long time into it, I do not notice any variables at all, because I always take the energy and mental state in a certain way with meditation, preparation and so on. For first users there are always a great number of variables going on!

As far as the second quotation. I guess you too realize that anxiety and depersonalisation are completely the issue of the psyche of the person. If their brain get confused by what is going on, bad thing start happening for the person, and I know of those instances not only haunting people for weeks, but months. It is though, strictly their perspective to remember it as a deeply negative experience. Vacoconstruction is a huge problem for the sensitive ones which is why no one should ever start large right away. And this is strictly medical.Which is why I warned people to choose carefully, who should do it and fr who it is probably best to stay away and never start with high doses.

About the supplements: Creatine is strictly a personal experience for me and I do not reccomend it too much. It expencive and time-consuming for someone who only wants to make the trip better. I take it anyway to feel better in general, it is good for me and I have noticed quite a large benefit from it during the trips. Other than that, It's just and idea for people, not so much as a ''do it and it will fix you'' solution. The magnesium and protassium though, I explained above and they do seem to work extremely well and who has tried it usually reccomends it to others.

Also adding about the psychological perils - There is nothing to help against that in my information, and probably no one else has that information too, as it is every persons own mind causing these responses and if the person is unable to find the cause and deal with it, the tripper (doesnt matter on which psychedelic imo) is usually left in a very dark place. As I told, other substances may be more direct when flushing the problem up. Nbome makes it more indirect so the person must often find the answer by himself. Adding that people who get it accidentaly as LSD or similar ofter are inexperienced and are more likely to be more mentally ''closed''. Or if they find out during the trip that it is something different it is a horrible and frightening experience.

As all the responses, including my own keep on telling caution is key. It is true. But I also wrote much about the good effects and large dosages because being ultra cautios in life is never the key. I know people who trip like this: first half a blotter, then one, then maybe one and a half...then maybe two...in the end of the sequnce their tolerance is already ridiculously high and they won't get anything out of it. Also there are people who are more willing to put any other drug, assisting the trip (supplements etc) into their system to make it safer, than the drug itself. Over drugging yourself with supplements only to somehow fullfill your fear for a dose which is nonexistent is no way to solve the fear and these people are also much more likely to get the bad experience out of it. For some people it is, sorry to say, impossible to have good experience with psychedelics for the first times because they have so much bad shit hidden in them, it does not matter how much you hide your fears, overdose yourself with vitamis or assist your trip any other way.
I suggest people find out first by small doses that it is safe for their system, and then at least get to the ''moderate'' dose range with no tolerance killing the experience. (which then may be aided with supplements)


Thank you very much for the good replies, I hope all the information and debate we have here will eventually give people a clearer image

 

I don't like that buzzing noise