The Nature of Time

We are not "trapped" in time, we are only taught to perceive it in such a way.

Both forced and optional brainwashing as a part of both the experience and the manipulation of the experience.

Once we truly understand how to perceive time, we are not limited by it any more - we only have to re-learn our perception of it.

It's is simply learning the new and perhaps un-learning of the old methodology of consideration. "Time" is a single moment, the ticking clock is a shift of our attention from one co-ordinate to the next... we can change our minds and perceive it in another aspect if we so choose.

You have to truly comprehend the nature of the construct in order to transcend it... it is staring all of us in the face, yet we are too blind to see it (by choice somewhat).

Some of us are working on removing the blinkers... I know I have expanded my consciousness in to 0-time on multiple occasions, I am now learning how to better consciously interact with it.

We can transcend this iteration easily, we can view any other.

Time travel is not travel, there is nothing to travel. It is a side-step into another part of our internal reflection of the mandala of our existence.

Each of us is a beautiful multi-dimensional mandala of expression, our souls form the most beautiful artistic expressions in the universe which is most closely represented by the eastern concept of a mandala... we are that... we are art... we are the One expressing itself through beautiful concepts that our three dimensional minds cannot accept.

Transcend duality, transcend the limitation, find yourself, walk your all, follow the path of your mandala to experience the beauty your human expression cannot comprehend.

You are pure beauty in a time-based fractal concept, expand brothers

 

I agree except that this is the true reality that we hide from ourselves. When I say that we are trapped in time, I mean that for most of us in our conscious minds, limited by our ego which filters anything unnecessary, and not defined by our ego-sense of reality, into the subconscius mind.

This of course was an ongoing argument I had with someone in this or another similar thread, and I was saying that we are trapped in time. But I meant that in the physical terms of conscious reality. We cannot physically jump to next week, or physically step back to yesterday. Our physical body as a physical manifestation, is trapped in time.

Likewise, if someone is taking a materialist argument and telling me that they are not trapped in time, I will argue that yes we are----physically we are. Because time is only the present Now nothing else exists in a physical sense.

But because our consciousness is transcendent and not emergent from physical existence then our true selves, our conscious beings, is not trapped in time.

Some people are not ready to experience reality in this manner. They have lessons to learn in the physical world or reasons for maintaining a physical-focused life, or for whatever reason---they are still trapped in time.

 

I agree, not sure if our physical form can move through time... our consciousness certainly can, we just switch forms... I've done it on many occasions now.

 

We suspect there is good in the world and we must have it and this is the delusion that binds or causes the appearance of being trapped in time. Obviously we are not trapped in time as our appearance is transient from a timely perspective and the meter is running. This meter is the measure peak to peak of an oscillating wave form and manifests as cycles per.
Heartbeats per minute, breaths per life. Vibrations reach on up to become light. Our purpose here seems to be a development of wave forms. It's desire is for us but we must learn to master it. We face warm bloodedness and learn frequency modulation.

 

I say that we are physically trapped in time because physically we cannot go back in time or forward in time. For example, I cannot go back to a time in my life when I made a mistake and change it. I cannot physically go back and relive a specific experience. I cannot physically jump ahead to see which investment I would make more money in. In the same way, we do not have a time machine that we can jump back to a specific time in history to experience it or even change it.

It is possible that since the past is lost to the 4th dimension (which may be a timeless universe of pure energy without form---perhaps essence without form), that we have no choice but to go back in the sense of a purely conscious-based means. It is possible that the physical 3 dimensions only exist in the present Now when all of light energy comes together to create physical reality. (Or to put in terms of Hegel's dialectic, we could change the dialectic of being and nothingness as becoming, to, becoming and nothingness as being).

Anyway---if you are not free to physically travel in time, then physically you are trapped in time. And this is a physical fact regardless of whether reality, or even desire, is delusion or not.

 

Very interesting Meagain---some good thought to meditate over.

My initial thought, before exploring the idea further is that it does contrast---it is the dividing point between the past and the future, and it contrasts between physical and non-physical. The 4th dimension from a physical perspective is nothingness, because it is non-existence from a materialist standpoint.

Each Now could be a unique physical existence---which would means that it is mind and essence that provides continuity---but in terms of physical existence, continuity is an illusion. If that is the case---consciousness is transcendent because it exists beyond the physical (it retains and protends) yet it also exists within the zero-time of the 4th Dimension, which is to say that it can experience the moment within a timeless reality when all that exists (in the 4th Dimension) is the infinitely small moment within which has been reduced all time and space to a singularity. In other words, consciousness must also be transcendent of time

 

I think it depends on the dimension. You're thinking only in the 3rd dimension in this post.

The 3 dimensional object moves in the 4th dimension of time. Its the space-time continuum.

 

That's right Happilyinlove. Don't forget to read into the more recent posts---you may be pleased.

 

Unless... it is matter that relies on consciousness, and it is the manifestation of the physical that therefore provides the something for consciousness to be conscious of. Space/time/matter may only be interrelated and variations of the same thing at the moment of Now---when it all comes together. If the fourth dimension is all energy in light form, then it exists as zero-space, zero-time---a single infinitely small simultaneous flash.

This could mean that it is consciousness that creates, within the infinitely small flash of the 4th dimension (because it is at the speed of light, which is the speed of time), a sub-light speed reality which is the physical 3 dimensions and the interrelation of space/time/matter as manifested in the recurring instant of Now. In such a case, consciousness would be transcendent, and of a higher dimension than the 4th dimension.

 

Yes, I suppose this model is full of classic causality.

If the universe follows the model I have presented here then only space, time and energy exist all the time in the 4th dimension. And it is only in the Now that matter exists. This is of course speaking from a subjective and sub-light perspective.

From the perspective of the 4th dimension, everything is reduced (per Einstein's theory of relativity) to an infinitely small singularity of zero. But in that zero, all the Nows exist simultaneously---so yes, just as all space and time is encapsulated within that infinitely small instant, then the physical manifestation of all Nows, and the matter that is the universe in each of those single Nows from the beginning till the end of time is also within that single instant. Therefore throughout the 4th dimension we also have the 3 physical dimensions---meaning that space/time/matter exist throughout the 4th dimension. But this does not change the fact that each Now represents a gestalt of being standing out against nothingness. Actually this would be the inverse, because the 4th dimension (as material nothingness) is a dimension greater than the physical three dimensions. Regardless, the point is that every Now, even compressed into the singularity of an infinitely small simultaneous instant, is still contrasted against a past and a future of nothingness only. Remember, even if we speak of the 4th dimension as space/time/energy---because it is energy at the speed of light, both space and time are zero (and this is why it is a simultaneous infinitely small instant--a singularity).

Let's look at this in a Cartesian sense. Consciousness is the subjective, because it is through my own consciousness that I subjectively experience the world. This is the conclusion of Descartes First Principal---I think therefore I am---when applied to this particular model of the universe. I think, feel, and experience via consciousness and I retain and protend, so my consciousness, as I said is transcendent. Whether it is my individual consciousness, among that of many individual separate conscious entities, or whether it is an extension of one universal consciousness, I cannot say, nor does it matter, because all I can truly say at this point is that I think therefore I am. Therefore I must assume that consciousness is subjective.

In my description previously, I think I pointed out that the matrix of photons representing the Now, is the objective. It is the objective aspect of the physical universe that I experience--because it is the point at which all that physically is, is manifested. It is literally Berkeley's perception, as in esse est percepi (Existence is perception), because ultimately, nothing exists except light energy---therefore, the 4th dimension as described in the paragraph before the previous one, is the absolute object.

This puts us back to the universe as being that thing that consciousness must be conscious of. It is the object of thought. We could expand Descartes mind-body dichotomy to a mind-universe dichotomy.

Currently most idealists use the argument of dualism to explain consciousness. They say that the mind and the brain are separate, which is the way they try to explain how consciousness exists without being dependent on the structure of the brain. Therefore a cockroach or a fish are able to experience the qualia of pain, just as (but not necessarily in the same way as) humans feel pain even though they have different brains, while at the same time a computer, which can be programmed to 'think' cannot experience pain nor can it be programmed to experience it. This fits in with Descartes' mind-body dichotomy. However I do away with the dualism argument by stating that the brain, and even the body, are the manifestation, and creation, of the mind. In this sense we are one and the same, as in Heidegger's Dassein (the human as a field of being). For example, the structure of neural pathways within my brain are, according to science, the physical result of experiences throughout my life. I would counter that they are the physical result of my mind keeping track in the physical realm (even as it may keep track separately in the non-physical realm).

 

Separation depends entirely on perspective, a side effect of the experience does not, the experience, make.

 

Yeah, so when is it ever separate?

 

Always AND never... It's a paradox from this perspective

 

Paradox or split mind? While perception is stimulating it is not of itself knowledge.

 

Keeping track of what?

 

Keeping track is perhaps not the best way of describing memory---but we are here to experience---there are numerous documented cases of people having memories of things they did not experience in this lifetime and had no way of knowing about.

This is an experience that materialism has no credible response to. Why would we have memories of something that happened in a different lifetime? This also relates to people who have lost parts of their brain, or lost use of portions of their brain in accidents or disease. They lose memories, meaning that those neural pathways are lost---yet somehow later they regain them.

There are medically documented cases of people who have become mentally ill or suffered brain damage to disease and suddenly can speak a foreign language that they have never been taught.

I had a friend who from the time he was very young could play beautiful piano pieces, including those he just made up---yet he never learned piano. He said he just did it from the way he heard it. Not only did he not study piano, he did not even practice playing around with it----he would just sit down and play.

My mother always had chest pains---like a crushing feeling in her chest. She would often have dreams about being crushed with this---the doctors claimed there was nothing wrong with her, and could not explain it. When I was a teenager, she went with my grandfather to go back to visit the 'Old country'----Germany (as he would call it). For some reason, they decided to take a different route through France. They stopped in a small town and suddenly my mom felt like she knew this place, that she lived here once. She suddenly remembered that there was a landslide and she was killed in it---crushed in a small house. She insisted that they try to fiund out about that and found someone who spoke English in a library. He was able to confirm that in the 1800's there was indeed a rock slide that killed many villagers. My mom never had that crushing sensation again and is convinced that she died there. (She was born here in the US).

We know fairly well how memories are structurally preserved in the brain. But why would such memories and skills survive death and be passed on to a new human without such genetic traits---there is no way this can be explained from a structuralist perspective. Memories too must be retained in a transcendent fashion---in a nonphysical sense.

 

Kudos to those in this tread, worthy read