The most annoying meat eater's comment ever

Whenever someone says that to me i always say

1. Being that i don't support the animal farms, or dairy farms, i cut down on the amount of vegetables being consumed by the animals, tus saving a large amount of veggies and fruits.

2. You can live a VERY healthy lifestyle without meat, but you cannot live a healthy lifestyle without vegetables and fruits.

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

But surely plants are alive!??!?? A fruitarian diet is about the only way to avoid eating something thats alive and even then you're taking away a great deal on potential.


I must agree the comment is silly but the defence of vegetarians is just as silly.

 

I think plants are alive, I'm pretty sure they can feel pain. I've heard about studies claiming that plants that are shouted at and threatened will die, where as plants that are talked to in a calm, serene voice will often flourish. I've heard that if you burn a plant, not only will that plant react, but other plants in the room will. I'm pretty sure they feel pain, but not on the same level as we do. For example, many trees in the african jungle only grow after it's passed through an elephant. Not only that, but because the elephants destroy trees and brush, they make clear ground for the new seed to grow. Or an other example, many tree's seeds only grow after they've reached a certain temperature. Normally, the high temperatures that are needed only occur in forest fires. When a forest fire occurs, it fertilizes the soil and clears out space to new plants can get sun. I think plants see death alot less personal than animals.

 

monkey, vegitarians do not need defending.

 

[voice = The Dude] Well that's just like, your opinion man. [/voice]

Of course, their diet doesn't really need defending, but vegetarians are just as prone to being assholes as anyone else, and I think that is the silly defence he was referring to.

 

yeh vegitarians are assholes, and i supose if you were in a place for people who do something completly harmless, even good, some group thing like this forum is for vegitarians, and someone came in and started calling you all idiots and saying you were all ruining your lives, then i supose you wouldent get mad at them.

 

I NEVER SAID VEGETARIANS WERE ASSHOLES, ASSHOLE!

I said SOME vegetarians are assholes, I'm talking about the ones who ostracise their family because they eat meat, the ones who meet any question or comment about their diet with snide remarks and insults, the ones who think that everyone who doesn't agree with them on every little detail is a mental defective.

I'm talking about the haters fool.

AND I'M A FUCKIN VEGETARIAN MYSELF MOTHERFUCKER!

... ahem

But that's just like, my opinion man.

 

ya know we should really just say fuck it, stop eating meat and vegatables so we don't have to kill any living thing....then we could rest assured that all of gods creations will live a happy life for ever and ever and we could drink synthetically manufactured prottien shakes for now on......hehe.....really now, some of the statements i have seen made about veganism vs omnivorism are just ridiculous to me....sure it is someones own choice what he/she wants to put into their body, and i fully respect any choice one makes, bu t why make excuses not to kill animal or plant....do you forget how life evolved, how civilizations were formed and the basis of where and why civilizations were formed wher they were formed....because of the food supply, fish, wild game, cattle, crops and so forth....if not for these we wouldn't know civilization like we know it....and why do we eat? to ensure that we as a speicies survives...and from the bullshit excuses i see about people eating different things to save another thing to me seems like justification for sacrificing one species for another ultimately.....so regardless of wether your a veggy or not, your excuse should be lifestyle, taste...etc.....not because i dont wanna kill an animal, or dont wanna kill a plant, because to be that much of a pacifist to me seems like condoning the fact that you are depriving yourself of nutrients that our bodies have evolved to depend on all for the sake of something that is in no imminent harm as a whole...i mean hell cows ain't gonna be endangered no time soon, neither is corn, and what i get from all of this is lets not eat the cow as not to kill it, and lets not eat the corn so not to damage a natural living being.....how about i dont feel right eating a living being personally so i choose not to, and i don't even know what to say about the whole lets not eat plants thing, that is just dumb....i dont know i guess this turned into a rant that i have no where to go with, but man all these excuses i have been seeing lately have been driving me nuts.

 

In any case, I wouldn't eat someone's brains, anyway. I don't thik I would, course I don't eat other animal's brains, do why start with humans?

 

well yes, those such vegitarians are assholes, i dont bother my family about it, and i try not to preach to people who arent either asking or in the vegitarian forums. You dont have to get so uppity, but seeing how this is hipforums it was fair for you to assume i was a jerk, so its ok

 

you are quite right, cows are not endangered, they are overpopulated because we breed them in mass and feed them. And just because something part of how society was formed does not make it right, our current world was also shaped by slavery. Would that be an excuse to continue slavery now? Also saying that all life forms are the same is like putting your fingers in your ears and screaming. To feed a person with meat you kill more plants to feed that cow, plus the cow. So either way meat takes more death and its just less eficient, so if your going to brong up survival think of all the more people we could feed if we werent wasting so much land, water, time, money, and energy on live stock.

 

you are quite right, cows are not endangered, they are overpopulated because we breed them in mass and feed them. And just because something part of how society was formed does not make it right, our current world was also shaped by slavery. Would that be an excuse to continue slavery now? Also saying that all life forms are the same is like putting your fingers in your ears and screaming. To feed a person with meat you kill more plants to feed that cow, plus the cow. So either way meat takes more death and its just less eficient, so if your going to brong up survival think of all the more people we could feed if we werent wasting so much land, water, time, money, and energy on live stock.Today 03:43 PM



so we all turn veg right...you hit the nail on the head with the efficiency part, but your missing the angle.....you absorb more energy from plants than meat...if thats what you mean....so you think it would be cheaper to and land efficient to grow crops instead of raising livestock???????

do you have any clue as to how much time, money, land, water, herbicide, fertilizer, energy etc it would take to grow enuf crops to feed the world????? i mean i have a garden and its no easy task, there is a lot more to it than just tossing a few seeds in the ground and watching it grow, you have to take into account possibility of everything that can go wrong, blights bug, weather and so forth.....then you need to look at the land situation...in order to feed alot of people you need alot of land to grow on, alot more than you do with cattle, unless we are talking about free grazing/ranging, but still you would need alot.

And i have no clue to where you get off claiming that we could save water????if we converted to veganism......have you any idea of what large scale farming does to the ecology of a stream.....the spike in nutrients from fertilizers albeit natural or synthetic would be about enuf to kill a stream system....not mention sediment control and erosion issues associated with it.....thats a lame excuse man

Hm..money...well live stock are a bit more expensive to take care of than plants would be but not much sonsidering both have a substantial amount of equipment and needs...but well technically i guess tractors, and irrigation systems, and pest control systems, and fertiliers, might just cost a little more than fences and hay and feed, and vaccines...i'm not sure about this one man....probably would cost a little more in the long run with cattle but not the type of expenses associated with large scale farming....

And energy???? i guess it's a little harder to butcher a cow than it is to shuck corn, but over all, there would be a shit ton mer energy expelled tending a large scale garden as opposed to tending cattle....i mean free range cattle you need not worry about really, just fill up the feeder once or twice a week, herd them once a year to do shots, tags, gather for sell.....while a garden you are constantly going up and down rows tending irrigation, weeding i mean that is a sorry excuse too man....there is no more energy expelled by raising cattle as opposed to a garden...actually there would be more to a garden in my experiences with the 2.........

and slavery of human beings is totally different than eating cows, but i see your point, and no i don't think we should engage in slavery, but then again it's not the 10th century, and i dont try to justify slavery because i think it is wrong period, but slavery is part of how society was formed, but not just slavery of blacks but of all conquered peoples in the past....and the reason slavery was so prevalent, was becasuse people at the time who were slaves were not strong enuf to win their freedom from those who enslaved them...does this mean it's right? No, but it does mean that they wer e obviously the less dominant and the dominant capitalized on their weakness and used them to their advantage.....so where am i going with this.....we are superior to animals, intellectually, most of us any way.....and who survives...the strong survive, who's strong? the superior.......

 

Not to mention the shitty way livestock is treated these days...

 

BUT since you have to do all that to raise plants to feel livestock the problems of plant growing are all multiplied by raising meat since it takes more agriculture to feed a person by feeding an animal than it does to grow food for a person directly. Plus theres all that animal waste that gets washed into the water. Plants do not poop or bleed. And like i said fertilizers and pesticideds are used to grow the plants the cows eat so their production DOES require those things.

But on a side note id like to compliment how you are actually arguing points instead of turning to childish name calling or just repeating yourself, i like a good argument if its with someone whos not imature. For example, most people would have acted like i was comparing livestock to slavery, which wasnt my point, as you noted.

 

compliment accepted and returned......


and as you noted fertilizers and herbicides are used to produce plants that feed livestock, but it is sustainable at the current rate becasue a majority of what is produced is produced by the same people who are producing food for people on the same land, the difference is the quality between what is sold as people food, and what is sold as feed.....i'm not too sure about how i'm wording this, but i think that what is grown in farms for sell is graded, and i think we get the the top 2 or 3 grades while the lowest grades are designated for feed, and the grades are generally based on the type of veg produced and the specific type of a specific plant....also alot of what is sold as feed is surplus and by products that are not sold on the "human" market...so in affect regardless of what is grown for livestock purposes the cost still bears out to the peolpe purposes side...and if enuf is to be grown for everyone to eat nuthing but veg, then the impact on the environment would be substantially greater than it is now......cow shit in a meadow isnt really going to be that detrimental to a stream, seeing as how what is dropped is mainly going to stay put, get trampled on and the plants in the field will absorb the nutrients before it really has a chance to have an affect on water quality.....with farming and such, the nature of tilled, loose earth coupled with a few tons of manure and fertilizers means when you get a big rain storm all that loose dirt and water will inter mingle, it gets washed down a ditch, into a creek, where algae begins to grow exponentially, blocking out sun for underwater vegatation, while at the same time absorbing heat radiated from the sun resulting in hotter water with less oxygen,(on a large scale operation)....now this can happen around livestock in instances where people let their animals trample around in creeks and such, but not so much as a large scale farming outfit would do......however chicken farms are alot worse than cattle farms due the high nitrogen in their shit, and if waste from a chicken farm is allowed to run into creeks and rivers then it will have a very neg affect on the stream system...but most chicken farms collect the shit and sell it as fertilizer for people to use on large scale gardening operations......

and as far as animal by-products in a stream, if anything this has a postivie affect on the stream because IF animal byproducts were placed in a stream it would simply give the smaller fish and larger fish alike a supplementary food source as well as the macroinvertebrates in the streeam itself.....however the clean water act doesnt allow people to simply toss blood and skeleton's and such into our water ways, which of course still happens everyday unfortunately, but if anything it has a positive affect on the environment for the reasons i stated, and doesnt happen on a large enuf scale to have an adverse affect, at least in this country.........