The Moon Landings Were A Hoax!!:

Discussion in 'Paranoid?' started by Flight From Ashiya, Apr 20, 2005.

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Was the Apollo13 1969 Moon Landing a hoax?

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  1. cymru_jules

    cymru_jules Member

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    money!

    again it's money... space travel is currently very expensive, and it hasn't changed a great deal since the 60's... it would be wrong to assume that we make rapid advances every few years - particulary in something as complicated as space flight!

    take a look at earth-based aviation, things changed rapidly within the first half of the century - indeed, we went from biplanes to monoplanes to jets capable of going through the sound barrier... but modern aviation is a lot more static, indeed the appearance in jet airliners has barely changed in over 40 years despite all these modern computers to help determine the optimal aerodynamic shape for instance!

    your reference to the shuttle is an amusing one - it's more old than you think - first conceived after the end of the apollo program funnily enough, the official program started in 1972, with a test orbiter rolled out in 1976 and the first proper orbiter - columbia in 1979

    but you're stupid enough to draw the most ridiculous and far fetched conclusion instead?!
     
  2. Wetbikerider

    Wetbikerider Member

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    the chinese satelite well be spying oon our fast food restaurants as the chineses well try too control that too.
     
  3. Wetbikerider

    Wetbikerider Member

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    The germans went to the moon in 1944 thats why they never found Hitler.
     
  4. cymru_jules

    cymru_jules Member

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    LOL... you were quite convincing there for a while wetbikerider ! ;)
     
  5. Wetbikerider

    Wetbikerider Member

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    HELL is sunday we can use some Humor.
     
  6. pabsy

    pabsy Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    i think humour is wasted on cymru jules.... i'm entitled to an opinion without you resorting to personal insults.. a sharp toungue is no indication of a keen mind...
    this is a discussion....jesus christ pull your head in CJ
     
  7. Wetbikerider

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  9. Lodui

    Lodui One Man Orgy

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    I hate to try and debunk the painstaking evidence that went into this thread, but the same mechanics of stargazing apply on the moon.

    The astronauts didn't go to the moon to take pictures of the stars, they went to take pictures...

    ...of the moon.

    During the day on earth and on the moon, its difficult to see stars because of the suns light eclipses them. the sky here is blue because of the atmosphere, but even without our atmosphere, it would be hard to see stars during the day.

    All NASA's moonwalking activity was done during the day, because the moon gets very cold at night.

    NASA was funded with hundreds of millions of dollars... you think they couldn't throw some stars in?
     
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    shaggie Senior Member

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  11. crummyrummy

    crummyrummy Brew Your Own Beer Lifetime Supporter

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    the old one had to be a fake. they didnt have the technology to reheat hot pockets back whgen it was supposedly taked!!!!!
     
  12. crummyrummy

    crummyrummy Brew Your Own Beer Lifetime Supporter

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    I got a pay raise or two...
     
  13. crummyrummy

    crummyrummy Brew Your Own Beer Lifetime Supporter

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    not me, my kids will take care of it!!!!
     
  14. EllisDTripp

    EllisDTripp Green Secessionist

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    Just to make clear for others, they could have used that option (which was called a "Fire in the Hole" abort) if descent stage fuel ran out, but then they wouldn't have landed on the surface. They would have returned to lunar orbit to redock with the CSM, then return to earth.

    The lunar landings were strictly "one shot" affairs. No second approaches, holding patterns, etc.
     
  15. canadian_boy

    canadian_boy Brohn Zmith

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    I'm not sure .
     
  16. EllisDTripp

    EllisDTripp Green Secessionist

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    The exhaust blast from the ascent engine firing into the enclosed space of the descent stage, coupled with the firing of the explosive bolts which held the stages together and the pyros that severed the electrical umbilicals at separation probably made for a hell of a jolt on takeoff! :)

    The best footage of a LEM liftoff has to be from Apollo 17, where the camera operator on earth was able to pan the camera up to follow the ascent, despite the time delay on the camera control signals.
     
  17. EllisDTripp

    EllisDTripp Green Secessionist

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    There were all kinds of compromises and trade-offs involved in the LEM design (like any large engineering project). And a minor change in a completely different area of the program would have "ripple effects" throughout the rest of the spacecraft design. In the case of the LEM, the docking and egress hatches had to change from round to square in the middle of the design cycle in order to accomodate a change in the size/shape of the backpack life support systems the astronauts would be wearing. The larger, heavier hatches then demanded further weight saving measures elsewhere in the LEM.

    The original LEM design called for the astronauts to be seated in a helicopter-like cockpit, with a large bubble window for wide visibility. A MAJOR weight savings was realized by having the astronauts fly while standing, eliminating the weight of the seats and allowing much smaller windows for the same field of view.

    The original means of egress to the lunar surface was going to be a sort of rope ladder, until testing with suited astronauts proved this unusable. Rungs were then added on one of the landing gear legs.

    The HBO miniseries "From the Earth to the Moon" had a great episode focussing on the design and fabrication of the LEM, from the perspective of Tom Kelly, the engineering manager at Grumman who headed the design team. Kelly also wrote a great book about the LEM project titled "Moon Lander--How we developed the Apollo Lunar Module". A great read for any engineering or space buff.

    Of course, since the whole project was faked, I guess Tom Kelly was in on the conspiracy, right? :rolleyes:
     
  18. EllisDTripp

    EllisDTripp Green Secessionist

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    That would have been Dave Scott, during the Apollo 15 mission.

    Yeah, pretty difficult to fake, but little things like science don't seem to deter the hoax crowd....
     
  19. shaggie

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  20. EllisDTripp

    EllisDTripp Green Secessionist

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    So why would NASA then fake the destruction of 2 shuttle missions, endangering it's own prestige and budget? :)
     

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