The Mind

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Meagain, Mar 12, 2013.

  1. happilyinlove

    happilyinlove with myself :p

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    I see you guys are past this, and someone may have covered this, however I'm still going to ask… how does magenta not occur in the "real" world?
     
  2. guerillabedlam

    guerillabedlam _|=|-|=|_

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    Standard Model of Particle Physics
     
  3. MeatyMushroom

    MeatyMushroom Juggle Tings Proppuh

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    It's very much there in the real world, unless you're colour blind..

    My perspective is from the art side, not sure if there's a more scientific side to things.. mine works fine :D
    But yeah, basically, the spectrum of light only goes from red to violet.

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    Pink is actually more of a milky red than a "true" colour(theoretically). It comes into existence because there has to be a seamless transition between violet and red, bridging the warm and the cool. Nature doesn't like solid, contrasting lines.

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    There's a lot more pointless information I could spew, but I'm not going to because it's actually really hard to verbalise.. and it's not actually all that relevant to the topic. I'm just weird and get very excited about colour :p Fascinating stuff.. for instance.. did you know the patterns of harmonic intervals between musical notes and colours are the same?
    In other words.. you can paint a chord, each note of that chord being a colour, and the colour's would harmonise. Get's a bit messy if you want to assign a key to it, cos then you have to find a relationship between the frequencies of each colour and note and build a scale around that.. but it work's if you just do (x)m, (x)maj or (x)7. Having some fun playing around with that one at the moment :D
     
  4. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    In the Red Green Blue visible light color system (RGB), used by a computer, magenta is formed by combining Red and Blue as there is no natural visible wavelength for Magenta. This is an additive system, we add the three primries to get all colors. All three added together give white.
    In the Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, Key (CMYK) system of color used by printing presses, Magenta is a primary color preformed as an ink. This is a subtractive system, all three added together give a dark Gray, black (K) is added to give true Black. All three removed give White.

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  5. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    Not occur in the real world? Of course it can; in the right "bees wax". But the word, bees-wax, only applies if we do not assume unfree "slave" existence IS for the intelligent life realizing the bees wax within the world of the habitat-shared.

    Slaves are more intelligent for without the invention for colours from the natural world.
     
  6. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    Slaves, in other words, are more intelligent in the pure objective world of progress and colours for the self-movement. It's black and white to understand first of all.:mickey:
     
  7. Indy Hippy

    Indy Hippy Zen & Bearded

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    An answer :D
     
  8. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    There is photo-synthesis; some thought it could only be green; but then the stars had purple, and orange, and brown for other deducable chemistries for suitable life on other planets. Are you a bio-chemist?

    Yes, I am not cynical; it's a matter of taste to look for life on other planets first, OR judge light and heat conditions for articulate plant life first.:sunny: <smiling faces, tell no places...>
     
  9. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    *sigh* here we go again
    :rolleyes:

    Then ask a proper question instead of vagueness you mistake for "being deep"
     
  10. Indy Hippy

    Indy Hippy Zen & Bearded

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    Was asking if you believed that humanity is the major in your equation not a proper question?
     
  11. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    Well your question is kinda lame considering the topic was a Grand Unified Theory and that gravity was the only observable force that still doesn't fit.
    To which you asked "fit what?".
    I replied according to all scientific knowledge gleaned throughout history up to present day. GB also answered it more precisely by simply stating it doesn't fit according to the standard model of particle physics. Can't get more clear than that.

    Then you asked if man was "major" in this equation in that.

    WTF???
    I don't think you are on the same page and you are attempting once again to feign intellectual depth and understanding by asking intentionally vague and ultimately asinine questions in the delusional thought that you are being "deep" or some shit.

    To answer your asinine question, of course man is "major" in that equation considering humans are the ones that have figured out the standard model of particle physics.
     
  12. Indy Hippy

    Indy Hippy Zen & Bearded

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    So from a human perspective these things are true because? Because we know them to be? Because they must be? Perhaps only because we say they are?

    Humanity is not the ultimate in any equation except in the equation directly related to the ego of humankind.
     
  13. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    You know Indy, you really need to learn to stick with a topic and not ALWAYS drag it into some esoteric, pseudo Buddhist bullshit all the time.

    So to answer your question intelligently and in line with the topic.
    Yes human are the major component in this equation.


    Really dude, if the science goes way over your head, you aren't going to impress anyone with this wishy-washy crap.
     
  14. Indy Hippy

    Indy Hippy Zen & Bearded

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    Ego is a powerful thing and I am sticking with the topic that has developed within it's own time. You are clouded by your own personal thinking as am I by the lack thereof. The essential answer to the overall question is simple. Humans dictate what is right because
    1: That is all that we know
    2: We feel the need to define all things according to our own logic and belief.
    3: We are all full of ego.

    In reality our interpretations are as vague and meaningless as you claim my chosen answers to be. The sun is the sun because we say it is. Really? The laws of gravity are because we say they are. Hmmm. The laws of physics are because we we say so. Ok then. Unless one can offer an explanation outside of human perspective it will always be driven by the ego of the human self. Simple.
     
  15. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    We say these things are "so", not because of some ego driven need, but because it is what we observe. Based on those observations and their frequency/regularity and related attributes, we develop probabilities that such and such event will occur.

    We aren't "making" these things, we are observing them.
    Now of course there is the whole "Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle" to contend with, but for the purposes of this thread, it is not really relevant.

    You are putting the horse before the cart and attributing too much power and influence to our perceptions and what the fuck is all this BS about "ego" all the time?

    If you can not learn to edit yourself and keep your discussions within the parameters of the topic, what the fuck is the point of engaging you in discussion?

    Your ideas are not without merit or validity, they just don not apply to this topic of conversation that you and I have embarked upon, at least those concepts do not come into play at this juncture in the discussion.

    You need to learn how to build up and develop your ideas for the reader and show how your ideas relate to the central topic. You routinely fail to do that and as such your communications come as as being pretty "out there" and disjointed from the conversation.
    That is exactly what has transpired here.
     
  16. Indy Hippy

    Indy Hippy Zen & Bearded

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    You wish me to expound upon this and tie it into the original discussion. That I can do. The mind is a powerful force and with it we can attempt to discern the world around us. We find things within our world to be what we desire them to be because we perceive them that way. The law of gravity and such as have been applied within this thread are all based upon human perception of the cosmos. Yet by labeling these things we are already stripping them of any true meaning because we must in order to fit them into a nice tiny box around us. As such our logic and understanding is inherently flawed because we only see what human eyes are capable of seeing. We only understand what human minds are capable of comprehending. Our error is that we then proceed to state that these perceptions are all there is to the perceived. This is ego. To say that we are 100% correct in any perception.
     
  17. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    HOLY SHIT!!!!

    You can converse in a clear and concise manner. :2thumbsup:

    Yes, when you actually explain yourself it is much clearer. I agree with you concerning the role perception plays and the requisite need to quantify and organize the data for processing and presentation to our cognitive mind.
    You are correct in maintaining that we need to bear that in mind when considering such topics as this thread or our comprehension of the Cosmos. Kinda why I mentioned the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.

    Where I feel you are making an error is in seeming to ascribe only a negative connotation to human perception and ego.

    What else are you going to go by????
     
  18. jaredfelix

    jaredfelix Namaste ॐ

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    Could the mind be a physical manifestation of the soul (conscious)?
    If the higher consciousness is merely located in your sub-conscious, then by bringing attention to it through meditation and initiation is it possible to access the so called age-less wisdom of the cosmos and begin to understand it all while developing psychic abilities which are our souls senses and purpose in this universe?

    The mind has a sort of Meissner effect no? Perhaps, in a way, this physical manifestation is developing our soul as well, helping it learn.
     
  19. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    There are no idle thoughts each one equal to it's relative effect. The ego is an aspect of mind creature axis or sense of identification. The ego in the sense you are referring to is the mind calling the body it's home. This ego of itself has no power at all but it is insidiously clever being a pure and lovely product of mind. In other words we can deceive ourselves. Understand the holding power this level of ego identification has over you is ultimately your death. It wants to intimidate you but not to the extent that you see it's real intent for you would withdraw all support immediately. This sense of identity is literally a fearful thought and you can see it bristle with defenses.

    No.
    "A two dimensional creature sees a cylinder transecting it's plane as a line segment and if that line segment is followed it appears a never ending line and never once is there empirical evidence of anything else. If we look away from the line and orient attention outward then evidence may appear of having been in this relative location before, (memory,) and the line takes on a different and curious dimension and causes us again to speculate on it's character." We learn over time.
    Knowledge or shared being is complete and is ever ongoing. You are the light of the world. Having and being are the same.
     
  20. happilyinlove

    happilyinlove with myself :p

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    Thanks for the thoughtful replies. I feel like I've witnessed magenta flowers.
     
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