The Magic of the 60s

It is too fun! I am having a blast with this thread. The bickering is a pain, but the debate is a good one. I do not agree with all of what everyone says, but there are a lot of good points being made. I have kinda lost track of what these points are, could someone reiterate? What is the discussion about. The magic of the 60s, I THINK NOT. It has gotten into some of our fundamental beliefs such as religion and there is a powder keg waiting to blow up here. Better that it is online than face to face I think.

I like it that there are people who have their beliefs and philosophy and stick with it. However, you cannot always say the other person is wrong just because they don't agree with you. You choose to disagree, but what EXACTLY is the disagreement?

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• I say plants that grew from this earth or ethnogens (psilocybin mushrooms, mescaline cacti, ect...), they contain the chemicals they do for a reason, GOD's reason. Real American disagrees, he thinks he knows better than our creater

• I say god is not exclusive to anyone,he is not a fucking health spa, no ONE 'saviour' who has the privaliage to talk to GOD... All people may talk to GOD by raising their consciousness weather through ethnogens or meditation ect... Real American disagrees.

• I say time is a dimension of reality. We may choose to measure it or not but it's relavence to reality is determined by us. Real American (acts like he) disagrees, to see time in a linear past-present-future fassion.

• I say the metaphysical is as "real" as the physical. Ethnogenic drugs open 'circut pathways in the brain' to see more of what already is there. "streight" scientists are in agreement that our reality is constructed by the ballance of chemicals in our brains, thus making my theory less hard to believe. Neurophysicists and Qunatium Physicists are starting to agree that consciousness is a function of the universe itself. Real American disagrees.

• I say that Interaction with humans(friends, family, dating, sports, ect...) should be secondary to the understanding of what it means to be alive. To knowing GOD. I don't mean that you can "hear about god" from other people... I mean actually using the power of your mind to probe the universe for answers. The inside is out and the outside is in. The egg is a means of producing more chickens as a chick to producing more eggs. The universe hangs in a sublime trancedental balance.

• I say that "sunshine daydreams" are a beuitiful and essencial part of life. Take even MDMA for example(I'm not claiming this is a sacrement) , a synthetic chemical. It causes an unadultered apperication for everyone around you which is not 'fake'... however the fact that you would certainly not be that sociable and lovie dovie to all these wankers without it, is what is 'fake' about the expirence. The emotions you are feeling are as real as sober emotions are, just cranked up!

• I say a 'high', perticuallry a ethnogenic one, is a normal part of the human expirence and is certainly not the result of a toxic effect on the body. in other words, you're not 'getting high' by 'piosioning yourself'. I'd be willing to bet that Real American thinks every high is the result of poision effecting your body... I find most/many drug opponants belive this.

• Real Americans point of view is the societaly manufactured one... It represents, Group think, disrespect for nature, materialistic fetishes, politics, and despiration. I believe that GOD instilled the power in us to find out for our selves.... What makes you think that society would be able to tell you the answer? Jesus was admently aginst the prevailing society of the time, the romans (who were "the most advanced humans" to the people of earth at that time...hmmm... I wonder what equils the roman empire today?). Don't allow yourself to become a COGNITIVE FACIST like our good ol' buddy Real American here.

If I lived in the age of the Roman Empire, I would live in Rome. I live in the age of the American Empire, so I live in New York. -John Lennon
(I believe he wanted to get to the core of the rotten tree.)

-PsDX

 

Real American cetrainly will not lay out his position in clear bullet points... Why not? you tell me... I just think he would not even be capable of doing so... Real American, consider this a challenge.

lover/young_peace, if you're not following along with this battle i could certainly see how it owuld be boring and lengthy... however we are having a dispute over the very 'nature' of our existance... thus being very improtant argument to be having.

Real American just thinks I've done so many drugs that I have perminent brain damage, causing me to have delusional ideas about life and drugs... do I sound like I have brain damage to you? I believe exactly what I outlined above, and most people here will relate to at least a few if not all of the ideas I have said. These ideas are not 'mine' they are for everyone!

In fact the only difference between man and god is consciousness... does that mean that man can become god? I think not...

-PsDX

 

Well, you can become God. It's easy.

 

I actually believe that time doesn't exist; it's just something man made, like language. Time is the way man keeps track of the events that have taken place over a stretch of eternity; it never stops. Of course, without this, we wouldn't have history, and without history, we wouldn't understand who or what we are. I dunno, it's an interesting concept to explore.

Also, I agree with your view on psychedelics at least. People have had near-death experiences which usually brings life-altering revalations; psychedelics can do the very same thing to someone who is seeking such a thing. I view psychedelics as a way to explore your consciousness and discover answers that you are seeking. The only people that think you're answers are wrong are people who have never truly wanted to answer the question.

 

• Well yea... were agreeing in different ways . Bottom line we have agreed be cause we have both reconized mans atributed importance to 'time'.

• Cheers, I'm glad you're with us on this key issue... I really don't understand why it is so hard for people to imagine that... "a drug could make you MORE aware of the natural world around you." When pharmacutical companies seek to develope medications and anti-depressants they seek to create a false sense of "wellness" (i.e. MDMA) without raising consciousness. Why is Cannabis illigal? Simple. Raises your consciousness (Leved 5, neurosomatic rapture circut). Why is alcohol, tobbaco, caffine legal? Not one ounce of consciousness from the lot. Alcohol works in the opposite direction of enlightenment... intoxication (which is fun every now and then too).

• GOOD POINT!... it is a type of the most severe dinial. Or they may just be too afraid to find out that they have been doing it all wrong for 50 years and want something different for their life. I hate to draw the parallel because of it's insensetivity, but it's like thinking you might have HIV, and deciding to not take the test because you'd reather not know.

hehehe... of course mate....the only devine exception is this guy ...

-PsDX

 

.......LOL God

 

And why don't YOU change your opinion? Just because YOU think it's right, doesn't mean he thinks that too. And sorry, but... why do you want to change people's minds? Only fascists do that! You criticize him that much, but you don't realize that you are making a mistake too. I realize I don't agree with noone's opinion. I don't agree with THIS you wrote, «say that Interaction with humans(friends, family, dating, sports, ect...) should be secondary to the understanding of what it means to be alive. To knowing GOD» but I strongly agree with this

»I say that "sunshine daydreams" are a beuitiful and essencial part of life. Take even MDMA for example(I'm not claiming this is a sacrement) , a synthetic chemical. It causes an unadultered apperication for everyone around you which is not 'fake'... however the fact that you would certainly not be that sociable and lovie dovie to all these wankers without it, is what is 'fake' about the expirence. The emotions you are feeling are as real as sober emotions are, just cranked up!».


Maybe it's kinda imature to say what I agree or not, specially right now, but to show you are not being fully correct.

 

Thank you PsyDX you have clarified a lot for me.

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    Thanks again for a most enjoyable series of posts.

 

Question: When you refer to GOD, what exactly do you mean?
I'm refering to the most pure form of 'good' energy in the universe. The Polar end of 'good'... I 'see' god as purity, brilliance, and in every fraction of whatever measurement humans could come up with... he is contained in that too... I really believe that the universe/cosmos hangs in a sublime balance(this plays into the defination!?!)... I do find the task of explaining "GOD", extremely difficult, of course.

Question: Are you saying that there is a different reality for each person, or that each person percieves a different reality? I agree that quantum physics is delving into time, conciousness and the nature of the universe. I have read some interesting stuff regarding some of this, however, there is only theory that has not been proven yet. They say that quantum physics will eventually lead us to a god (for want of a better word). I think we will find eventually that "god" is the collective conciousness of us all.
well... hmmm... We all expirence the same "arena" in which we play our "sport"... but we are all at, "different positions on the field", and we have "different levels of expirence at the game". Our "physical ability" may also be more or less naturally inclined than "other players". I think we all share a common reality but always percieve everything our own way through our own set of filters.



Correct me if I am wrong, but I think this is what benefit you feel you are getting from ethnogens. Certainly not wrong! I have to admit that I think there is something to that. I (in the long ago past) have had experiences with mescaline, psylocibin(cant spell it, we used to call it silly sybin) datura, hawaiian woodrose seeds, morning glory and LSD. I have had many experiences and felt at the time that my mind was opened. I had a couple of out-of-body experiences that showed me things that I have now forgotten. But without continued use of the sacrements you can not be fully "involved", even though your mind is "perminantly expanded" to contain all the possibilities. I know that you've had enough real expirences that you still have a lasting changed patterns of thought... Maybe it's time for another voyage? I find within two weeks after a hefty psilocybin excrusion My memory/immagination of what exactly the expirence is like becomes somewhat clouded... although I can still "kind of" remember.

grendel 44, have you considered revisiting some of the sacrements? It might be really amazing for you... To apply you're current knowledge system and expirence over the psychedelic religious expirence would be a most valuable to this 'effort'. I would really value the opinions of respectable adults whom could expirence this as well... Your perspective(shroom wise), I bet, would come in much more intense than it did for me... Your knoledge system is probably much bigger, thus more anyalization from more perspectives. I'll bet you would find it completely different than you remember it.



I think RA is afraid of what he might find within himself. I'm sure of it. Jesus was an essene and very very jewish in thought. I do not think he was divine, I think he was a great leader for his time and was a priest along with his brother. Prehaps, my position on organized religion is that of "placebo"... they tell you about how great it is, you then make it that way in your head at the power of suggestion. I did for 17 years, before I found religion(within myself, humorously enough). I personally prefer to talk to him myself, it's far supperior to gossip. 1 secong of personally speaking with god, is supperior to 100 years of organized religion. Whatever my position is, I use organized religion as an example any time I can illustrate that we are all rambling about the same thing. One of them died because of his beliefs. One of them carried on until the sect was pretty much wiped out. However, if you do not listen to the roman church and look at the real history, you will find out many things that are still good for today. (Hope that made sense). Read the Hiram Key and Holy Blood, Holy Grail. You will find it most interesting that a decendant of Jesus family is alive and in France. I've heard of this, but not too sure how much I believe it... do you know what town? ...I'll make it a train trip to talk to them myself. The sangreal or bloodline has been protected for 2000 years and is what the holy grail is supposed to be. It would make sense, wouldn't it...

I know that I have not accheived "enlightenment", if I had I would not be addressing RA and people like him in such a way... I do have a lot to learn... but I wish more people were contributing to this knoledge base, sure would make it progress faster.

One thing that strikes me as interseting: Psilcybin Mushrooms, Mescaline Cacti, Ayaschua, LSA Seeds, (probably)datura, aminitas... are all "VISIONARY", this is where I believe the 'religious expirence' comes from ... seeming to seperate them from synthetics.. LSD, ALD-52, DOB, 2-CB, MDMA, MDA, ect... Does anybody know of any visionary synthetic psychedelic? I don't.

Thanks again for a most enjoyable series of posts.
Thank you grendel 44, you should have jumped in earlier, I'm glad this shifted from bitching back and fourth with/about RA to an interesting discussion about life, nature, and oddly enought 'the magic of the 60s'. Cheers...

 

Right on, man!

 

Hi PsyDex, I do not think I can handle this type of drug anymore. I remember how much it took from my body when I was young and healthy, although I found that amino acids replaced a lot of what was lost from my body. Now I am way older and have a thrashed liver and diabetes. I have not done drugs in 30 years. My mind is still intact (I think) and open to new ideas.

Regarding your question regarding Jesus bloodline. I cannot remember the name of the person, but I believe he was living in Paris some time ago. This theory about the sangreal or bloodline is starting to show up more and more. In subtle ways. There is a society called the Preiure de Sion that has been responsible for keeping and protecting the bloodline. They believe that when the time is right all will be revealed and we will have a leader that will pull the world together.
I think the family name was Plantard, but cannot remember all the details. It is believed that the Merovingian dynasty was part of the bloodline, also that the last grand master of the Templars, Jaques de Molay, was of the bloodline. There has also been research that shows that the shroud of turin (which has been PROVED to have been made in the 14th century) is actually the shroud of Molay. He was executed by the Roman church on Friday the 13th, 1314. Following this the templars disbanded, however it is believed that the Masonic orders are an offshoot of the Temlars.

These theories are too complicated to go into much more here. I recommend you read The Second Messiah by Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas and Holy Blood, Holy Grail by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh and Henry Lincoln.

Check this out and let me know what you think.

 

Well, I have been gone for a few days and will only be here tonight and tomorrow then off again, so I'll try to cover everything as best as possible.

I would like to start off by saying this will be a direct attack on psilodelix. For one at his attempt to make fun of me by misspelling the word "drugy" and of course second, at his attempt to think he is better than I because he can add bullets to his post.

• Every post you have has several misspelled words
• Your use of grammar is embarrassing
• I still believe you have used to many drugs
• You use The Bible as many others do
  • You pull tid-bits of information from The Bible to use for your benifit
  • You discard the rest
• Drugs give you an unnatural view of things

1. 1. un·nat·u·ral (n-nchr-l)
      adj.
      1. In violation of a natural law.
      2. Inconsistent with an individual pattern or custom.
      3. Deviating from a behavioral or social norm: an unnatural attachment.
      4. Contrived or constrained; artificial: smiled in an unnatural manner.
      5. In violation of natural feelings; inhuman.

You made a great point against psilodelix's theory. If God intended for us to use these plants as a way to communicate with Him, do you think they would hurt us later in life? Or have neggative effects? Ahhh but they do hurt us and they do have negative side effects. No, I don't think God intended on me hurting his temple so I can communicate with him. I just bow my head and close my eyes. Other times I will shout out in anger or in joy. Either way, I feel tyhe Holy Spirit in me and around me as he said I would.

That person would be called the antichrist, as mentioned in The Bible.

You all have a good weekend. I'll be celebrating July 4th at our families ranch outside of San Antonio(beautiful country out there).

 

AH, THE ANTICHRIST! don't fall for his trap, he'll try to trick you all, and try to get you to paint the number 666 on your forehead (the mark of the beast), which instantly condemns you to eternal damnation.


please, do not fall for the lies of the antichrist. he is only out to destroy you!

 

I take it that because you do not believe in the antichrist that you are not a Christian? You are definatly entitled to your beliefs.

I was not trying to emply that the use of drugs earlier in your life caused your problems. What I was implying directly to you is that If God intended on us speaking with him via the use of drugs, I think the drugs would never have a bad effect. IE you wouldn't have to worry about your current health problems. Ending point on the subject is that God never mentioned using any kind of drugs to speak with him, nor did Jesus.

Yay for immature sarcastic people.

 

No, not immaturity. I just find it funny. It's hard for me to understand how people can take themselves so seriously, or even seriously at all, so I usually just laugh around those kind of people. Hence my ex boss

 

yay for people like me! Really life is highly amusing, a good laugh is everywhere. yay for un-serious-ness! woo. hoo.

 

Only things which have been manupilated by man are unnatural.


A computer is mans manuipulation of different peices of earth to create something UN-NATURAL. Something which came from nature, thus can't be unnatural.

Society = creation of man.
LSD = creation of man.
Psilocybin Mushroom = Naturally created... Not manupuilated into existance by man.

Do you understand the difference yet? Or shall I go over it again?

If GOD created us he created psilocybin mushrooms. Period.
The effect they have on the human body and mind is not an accident... just like everything else in nature is there for a reason "to keep life in balance".

grendal 44, I'll check that out some more... I'm sorry to hear that your health is not ready for the ethnos any more... are you sure you'd never find the ideal time to partake slightly?...like sitting on a beuitiful beach relaxing and enjoying life... If no, not even before the end of your lifetime? I can definatly imagine a day in my own future where I will no longer partake in the sacements(at least not nearly as frequently) just because I no longer am as ready to take the 'body/mind fuck'... this does not mean however that I won't feel that I've learned anything (if not the most valuable things) from them.

HURRAY!!!!! I just finished buying my train tickets for Amsterdam on the internet! Can't wait till I'm stuffin' my pink little cheeks with that sweet sweet shroom flesh. This saturday, RA the whole time my brain is teeming to the brim with psilocybin, I'm gonna think of you buddy, and how much you don't know what you're missing!!!!!!!

trippin...my...balllsss...offf... hahahahhaahaha...I get to visit with GOD and ... yooooouuu... don't ha ha ha haa ahahaha ha nananay anany pooo pooo...
...just kidding of course, but... have fun in SqUaRE LaND

-PsDX

hehhehe..*cough* ...hehehheheshrooms'hehhehhehehe

 

And his imaturity surfaces. I knew it would at some point.