The Magic of the 60s

my god! this Real American guy is everywhere! and he never has anything nice to say... can't we all be civil to one another? this is the HIP forums, right?

 

i am hip.

so are you.

we're all hip.

we just hide it sometimes.

 

Actually, it will take minimal time as it is obvious that your brain just does not click.

Hey, look, I didn't say that I don't have any morals, I just said that you don't have the right to tell other people to live or what is morally correct in your eyes. You lose; again.

[/QUOTE=Real American]When I was using, I wasn't telling anyone not to do drugs. I would have offered them to you so we could party together. Wise men learn from other mens mistakes, fools by their own. I was a fool at that time, and had to learn on my own the hard way. I am not a hypocrite for telling someone to stay awat from drugs. Had I been using and saying that then I would be. Please look up the definition so you can understand.[/QUOTE]

Wow, razor edged wit you got there. Hey, did you ever stop a second to consider the fact that there are people out there who are responsible drug users? You know, the people who can regulate their use and not let it effect their everyday activities? Guess not.

Oh, I'm sure they did it because they liked it; not because they had severe social issues and problems coping with various emotions, not at all.

And to leave you with something that I hope you soon won't forget:

 

grendel 44 for president!!!

Oh man, don't even get me started!

I love you, RA, I do, I just think you're a little messed up and confused, and I'm sure you think worse about me! Just take a minute to feel the lovie vibes from me, because you probably won't feel 'em again; I'm having a hard time just being able to stand you, man!

 

grendel 44 for president

RA, although i totally disagree with you on everything that you have said and i believe that you just don't want to accept other peoples beliefs and ideas (you wont even consider them) we still accept you and want you to add your opinions to our forums. i would just like to ask of you not to be so negative and to point out things that you agree with. it would make for a much more positive and optimistic enviornment here at hipforums.

thank you,
keith sweezy

 

I'll not even reply to anyone elses posts. I'm sorry if you think that I am being negative. You say to me you are sorry I won't accept others ideas. Isn't that what you all are doing? Not accepting mine? Thats all I'm doing. Someone else started this thread. I didn't attack anyone, I simply posted my beliefs on the subject. At wich point one of the peacful members here decided to attack my ideas on the subject. Of course I am going to defend myself. I do listen to what people have to say, at wich point I consider it. If I find it interesting, or plausable then I am sure to believe it. However if I disagre with it, are you asking me not to post my disagrement? You see where I am going with this? These are forums. This is the whole conceopt behind them. You or I post and someone replies. It actualy seems in almost everyother persons post with the exception of a few that they are getting mad. Look at the vulgar language used by members here. I have yet to get mad at someones opinion simply because, it is their opinion and they have the right to it. That does not mean that I have to accept it, nor them accept my opinion. One last thing, you see I tried to get the topic back on track.... sense then, 9 post later, not a single one of you have kept on topic. Everyone of you are either attacking my beliefs, or my character. Now do you see why the word hypocrite is used so often in my posts? Why aren't you attacking grendal for attacking me? Or that psilowhatever guy?

 

Of all the people who have gone on to do something nifty in life, how many were stererotypical or average thinkers?... you are afraid of your own mind!... I can't even think of five examples.

Real American, you have a really lame way of quoting people out of context, and then turning the argument into something else... I have an amazing life and you could'nt even imagine the levels of fun I have... with and with out drugs... there is nothing that winds me up more than being lamey insulted by someone who has little understanding of the core of life, much less mine, its like being constantly poked at by a small child, fucking irratating. In the end it's all ok because you really create all the nessacary retorts for me buy just saying some really oblivious things. Relativly, You have no capacity for the abstract thought.
Well... I'm quite finished here anyway, I couldn't give a shit in hell to try to share "magic" with people who are always paranoid they're being ripped off... even in philosophy. I even drew every parallel I could find to christanity in hopes that might help get the point across... after all we are always talking about the same creater wheather we believe he's the same in our images of 'him' or not.

Once again, completely regardless of drugs of any sort, you need to open your mind... don't like drugs? fine... meditate, buddhism, yoga, trippy lights! whatever works. Oh, And I will post as long and as frequently as I feel is nessacary, fuck anybody's opinion that has a problem with it, I already apologized when I really had no reason to.... As I continue to argue, I just can't help but get worked up because the frustration with other unnamed posters whom are really really thick. I asked a lot of really difficult questions and you never answered any of them in a remotely productive manner. I quoted dr. leary because I AGREED with what he had wrote, not 'jumped on the band wagon', at his higher level of education, he has a more productive and explanatory vocabluary.

The difference between me and you Is the fact that I can accept that 'your world', just may infact, be the only way... I don't really believe that at all... but, I always understand that it is a small possibility that my vision was all a dilusion... and when I die I'll find out that for sure won't I... and so will you...

I think the real problem is you won't even allow yourself to imagine "blasphomous" thoughts. Drugs are cetrainly NOT the answer, this is pretty much a given(very obvious to everyone), but the perspective they leave behind is... I know, that you know that you will always be searching for something... you will never be truly "content" until you understand the true nature of what is "LIFE" (and soceital relationshipshave no bearing on this bart of inner discovery. I never (seriously)respected "god" or the idea until I met 'him.' I really wish I could philosophize with people about ETHNOGENS and their uses for humanity with out geting a hand full of propaganda and rethoric jamed down my throat.

To fight with nature is to fight with god. God's thread weaves through the entire fabric of life on this planet, abusing nature is abusing god. Period. "What came first the chicken or the egg", it is a trick question in one way, but this silly question can prove a real point if you can figure it out.

I'm not quite clear on this but did jesus himself ever claim that he was "the only son of god"? Be very clear, what jesus said and what is writen down in the bible are two seperate things... by their own admission, the apostles even took a decade of two(not sure exactly) after his death to start writing the gospels. How clearly do you remember the details of 20 years ago?

I think that almost everyone else here "knows what I'm talking about" at least a little bit, on some level... or if not they use the power of imagination... but RA you seem to not even be able to fathom the possibility. Everything we are talking/arguing about applys to everyone because as with "the magic of the 60s" one of the major problems is these two almost 'polar' opposite outlooks on what life is about. I try to use sarcasm to higlight importance and show contrast, but that assumes wit and intelegence on behalf of the reader... which apparently was a bigger assumption than I thought.

I think that the metaphysical is pretty well acnoledged, even by the 'square community'. It's very embarasing for those who think that 'Hippies' shouldn't argue because their supposed to be peaceful, humans having conflicting ideas will never stop... and thank OUR god that is the case. But to say If you're peaceful you must always be passave, is just plain stupid.

The trick is not to think of "more ideas", it's to think of the same ideas in many different ways. Perspective.

Christ was temped one last time... given the chance to excape crusifiction and have a fmaily and children and a 'happy' life... but he was so burdened with the truth that he had to allow his martyredom to happen inorder to solidify his message...

I'm done, anybody that thinks I'm tring to 'mind fuck' someone or that I'm playing games in any way, just too fucking bad for you. As a human the most I can accomplish in my lifetime would be to try to convice other humans of what I see as human purity and evolution... this is what it means to truly "love your fellow man", my frustration and anger only comes form my despiration to help others as I know I've helped myself.. enjoy your hollywood movie of a life... I really suppose that "IGNORANCE IS BLISS".

-PsDX

 

You're shoving your views down our throats, how are we supposed to accept them? I have never aggressively responded to one of your posts unless it was an attack on my person; of which there were plenty.

Oh yes, I attacked your incorrect statement, so sorry for trying to educate you on the fact that the 60's weren't all about drugs...

You sure didn't seem willing to believe that I gain certain benefits and don't have an addiction, yet it's perfectly plausable; but then I see that your ignorance shines through (pardon the bluntness).

 

Grendel here again. This has turned out to be a great thread. I love debate. I have no idea why it is still called the Magic of the 60s. All the same, it is showing that we do have the right to our own beliefs and opinions.
Real American, I love you for sticking with your beliefs. You may not like mine, but I have to smile about that.
I am just a little old english woman and although I have been in this country for years I still , cannot understand the american moral mindset where violence and hatred on TV and in the movies are perfectly acceptable but sex and rebellion against the machine are not.

You may be surprised to know that I agree with you on a lot of what you say about recreational drugs. I have taken LSD in the past and I honestly do not believe that they are of any benefit. The drugs that are around now that are said to be LSD, are mostly poison, more strychnine than anything else. Sure it causes hallucinations, but it is not the same as what was around in the 60s.

Please, all of you, keep on with this thread, I am loving it.

 

Strychnine can not be in blotter paper; the pores are too small for it. And yes, LSD quality has gone downhill, it's not even half as strong as it was in the 60's; but it was legal back then. So, it's likely that they had the ability to perfect the stuff rather than a bunch of make-shift organic chemists today.

 

That is what you said to me Ocean Byrd. You also said that because I wasn't alive then, I couldn't posibly know. I'm not sure what there is to read betwen the lines there. But it sure looks like hipocracy to me. You telling me I can't know, but that you do know, but you wernt alive then....The words you type are your rawest feeling shown. There is no boundry. It comes straight from your brain to the words. Nothing lost in translation. So, from now on, if you mean to say something, say it, don't say one thing then come back and say you meant something else. Oh, and I still stand by my beliefs that the "magic" of the 60's was based on a drug using society. I'm sure that there were a few hippies out there that didn't use. But I BELIEVE that most did use.

Ocean, I believe grendel is refering to the new and improved liquid lsd. As I said in a previous post. When I was using lsd, we had little pieces of papper, and eye drops were just comming out. Some type of liquid form that I never tried. And lastly to you Ocean, if you were to go back to the begining of this topic, and re read it. You would see that the person named Republican said far worse things(at least this is what I think) than I did. You will also notice that the discusion was going on just fine, until you steped in and started attacking what I believed. No forcing of my ideas was being done. Nothing of the sort. You attacked me and I quote:

Nothing to read inbetween the lines there. From that point on I had to defend my beliefs. I quoted you on practicly everything you said and questioned it. Just like I am doing now. Here is a challenge for you, if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

Grendel: I don't hate anything you say or believe. As a matter of fact, I don't hate anyone here, or anyone for that matter. The Bible taught me to "love oneanother". And so I do. Doesn't mean I accept the sin, just the sinner. As for your statement:

I can only assume it is because we are human. Evil is in our nature from the begining. Even at a young age you can see rebelion at work. Example "honey, don't touch that stove, it's hot and will burn you." and what does the child do?

 

Rebellion usually implys and beligerance and close mindedness about whatever idea it may be their rebelling against, often associated with youth. Questioning Authority and rebelion are not nessacarly the same.

You need some Manna... Some of OUR gods creation.... to put it this way "the effect(of 'tripping') would not occur in the human brain If it wasn't the intention of our creater for this expirence to happen". God does not play dice.

I am doing what I was instructed to do by god. Consume the natural psychedelics of the world, in accoradnce with nature and suprisingly enough even The Bible . Don't base you reglious beliefs on HERESY, base them on personal involvement.

"Just as the world "as it is" is neither democratic nor socialist, neither good nor bad, positive nor negative, so it is neither religious nor scientific. It is simply as it is. Religion, like science, is just another way of trying to figure out what the world is, just a different set of filters through which we sift our experience to try to explain things which, according to all the other filters we use, are difficult to explain."
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The Bible never tells us exactly what manna was and where it came from, but there are many Old Testament passages which describe its physical qualities and conditions associated with its appearance. The Bible's first reference to manna is in the Book of Exodus as the children of Israel are fleeing from Egypt and following Moses into the wilderness. After six weeks of wandering, they began complaining to Moses that they are tired and hungry. What happens next is truly extraordinary:
"Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will vain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law or no (16:4). And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground (16: 14). And when the children of Israel saw if, they said one to another It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the Lord hath given you to eat."
Although translations have obscured the intent of this passage, it seems to be a description of how to find and identify manna and distinguish it from other non- psychoactive (or possibly lethal) mushrooms. Look for the small round things which are like bread, come with the rain, and seem to have heavenly (bluish) coloring. Psilocybe mushrooms also sprout in tiny pin heads which branch out in all directions and bear a resemblance to hoar frost.

It is also interesting to note that Moses tells the children of Israel that manna comes directly from Heaven to test them on whether or not they will walk in God's law. Here is evidence that manna was endowed with unusual spiritual powers, like those of magic mushrooms. However, manna does not automatically confer spiritual power. Instead, it serves as a test. Magic mushrooms would provide visionary experiences that would certainly test all who ingested them. Moses also said that the manna is literally the "bread of the lord" which is remarkably similar to the literal Aztec name for psilocybe mushrooms, "flesh of the gods."

But how and why did the manna suddenly appear? Again referring to the Bible, it is clear that the children of Israel had journeyed to a land where there was dew in the morning. As a large, nomadic tribe, the Israelites brought a lot of cattle and sheep together in the area. That meant a great deal of manure. The change of climate from the arid lands of Egypt to the dewy climate of the wilderness created ideal conditions for the propagation and spread of psilocybe mushrooms in livestock dung.

In Exodus 12: 19-20, we find more references to manna.

And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning (16:19). Notwithstanding they harkened not unto Moses. but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms and stank: and Moses was wroth with them(16.20). And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating. and when the sun waxed hot it melted...(16:21).

Anyone familiar with wild mushrooms knows that they go bad very quickly and shrivel up under the heat of the sun, exactly like manna.
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If someone responds trying to convince me manna is simbolic of bread I will go crazy!

When one blind man follows another blind man, they both fall into the ditch.
--Kahlil Gibran

 

"If someone responds trying to convince me manna is simbolic of bread I will go crazy!" says Psylodelix (sorry if I got it wrong).

I like the idea that it was mushrooms. The bible has been translated so many times, who knows what it really said originally, not to mention the bits that the catholic church decided to leave out for their own reasons (mostly new testament).

Read the book "the Hiram Key" by Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas. Then come back and discuss christianity.

Love ya babe.

Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.
Buddha​

 

It's just a theory... but so is almost every aspect of Jesus's life. I see it as being quite possible that Jesus and possibly even buddah (soma has been purposed) achieved their enlightenment through ethnogens and maditation/prayer(Same thing).

Isn't the entire adolesance and early adulthood of Jesus's life almost a complete mystery?

I do recall reading somewhere in "streight literature" that there were Jewish mushroom cults surroounding the Dea Sea... as I recall the catholic chruch has withheld tons of material from the puplic like the 'Dead Sea Scrolls' for just one example.

I don't think that jesus said, "I am the only son of god". I think he said "I am the son of god", meaning that since all humans having the potential for awakened consciousness we are truly, "the sons of god". Christ understood this, christians didn't.

The Idea that humans (or anything else in nature for that mater) are inherantly evil is perverse and spiritualy immature.

I am not angry in any sense. I feel a cutting determination(sometmes too sharp) I cannot fight, to share what I have found.

-PsDX

 

Go on believing whatever you want, but realize that not EVERYONE involved in countercoulture used drugs; I may not have lived then, but my parents know some people who were counterculture, just like themselves, that didn't use drugs. They weren't one of them, though.

I wouldn't call today's acid 'new and improved.' Secondly, LSD is in the form of a liquid before a sheet of blotter paper is set into it; there are a few other ways that LSD is made into hits.

First of all, follow your own advice. Second, I came in around the same time you did, which is why I chose to highlight something that you said that I felt was incorrect and corrected it. I wouldn't call that an attack on your beliefs, but I would call it an attempt to remove a bit of ignorance from your seemingly narrow mind. Let's take a look at your post and my response, together; as you neglected to do earlier:

I don't know what the literary device is called, but I was basically being sarcastic about the matter; doesn't look like an 'attack' to me. Oh wait, so, you weren't shoving your views down our throats, yet you were saying that:

Hmm, coulda fooled me. Also, do keep in mind that it isn't too smart to quote someone without full context, unless it's not important to what is being responded to. See, I just pulled up the original post that I responded to and it makes your whole paragraph on how it was an attack on you look like rubbish.

Although this isn't directed at me; touching something hot out of curiosity is something quite different from disregarding what authority figures say. If a kid burns him/herself by touching a hot stove, do you think they are about to do it again? No. However, a 'rebellious' individual will still hold the same disregard for authority.

Finally, are you about done with dragging this on? I'm tired of disproving your claims about how I contradict myself, am a hypocrite, yadda yadda yadda... All it seems to do is cause you more greif than glory.

 

Real American,

HOW LONG HAVE YOU WORKED FOR THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT??????

 

Yes ocean, sarcasim is an attack, so is "How old are you anyway? Obviously not 44 or even older.". However, I do realize when talking with a person such as yourself, it is impossable for that person to realize and admit where they went wrong. So, as I have decided to take that psilo/insaine guys posts with a grain of salt, so shall I take yours. From now on, I will reply to the adults on this forum. For the rest of you, I will take it as your lack of expirience, and understanding. For instance, this child that calls himself god, and asking me a stupid question: grain of salt.

 

Well, that certainly proves that no one should give a rats ass about any of your posts. It's funny how you ignore the people that present a really good point; ignorance is bliss, how you seem to be establishment, your lack of belief in freedom, it's odd that you ignore all of these 'attacks' on your beliefs and stick with ones you claim to have experience with. I guess I'm just surprised that someone who calls himself a "Real American" would be so quick as to talk without wit and be so close minded; you give American's a bad name, I'm sorry to say.

 

Enjoy an eternaty in the real Hell you were too stupid to realize you're already living in. If I'm insane, Jesus Christ was also definatly insane. You can take those grains of salt a shove'em. Can you immagine how this type of person has no idea what John Lennon's "Imagine" is about, this guy thinks it's about going to Disney World. There was nothing wrong with any of my questions, they are fundamental questions of existance, just admit you have absoutly no idea. Do you have trouble spelling my name? Don't come here to play mommy... durring your life everytime you see these words draw this parallel. (any)REAL AMERICAN = DILUSIONAL

"psilo/insaine"?, real american, Fuck your opinion, you, and your loser substandard expirences. I tried, now I'm blocking this lost cause once and for all, so i can actually enjoy the forums!!!!
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-PsDX

 

hahaha... good one God. (no, I'm not trying to suck up to you just so I can get into Heaven...)

no but really everyone's fighting... oh you're immature, oh yeah, well you're a hypocrite. blahdy blah blah. some people made good points but they got lost in the fighting. If this is maturity, then it's over-rated. I can't follow what's happening anymore. I don't even know what you guys are talking about. Now, that is pretty much my own fault but still, I would be very appreciative if we all stopped the bickering. It's no fun anymore!


PEACE TREATY?!?!?!?!?!?