The Just Actions of Israel

Portalguy​

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Did I say so? ​

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Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

Hi fat_tony ​

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Allah revealed one Torah To Moses peace be upon him and one Gospel to Jesus (pbuh), we cannot find the gospel of Jesus!! but of Mathew and others, in these 4 Gospels you can find some same events /verses/ incidents but are described differently!!!anyway, the Gospels were written after Jesus' ascendence, they wrote what the saw or heard!!!!! So it isn't the word of GOD!!! When I wrote What I saw during my life with Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) it doesn't make what I wrote the word of GOD!!!! they will say that they were inspired by God, Well, why can we find some same events /verses/ incidents but are described differently!!! ​

Even these ''original'' copies or ''manuscripts'' as I read I believe they aren't all similar, I mean you will find verses in this manuscript but not in the other one!!!! which one is the true one? ​

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No, isn't only including such errors. Some errors or deliberate corruption gave you completely different meaning, read more about this fact. I already mentioned some of them in many of my posts.​

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Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

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I dont think the differences between the Gospels are a big problem after all in the present day you get celebrities with more than one biography and they are all different in some ways, but then you get to see different views of the same person which could be more enlightening. Also as I understand it the Gospels were written for different audiences, Gentiles, Greeks etc. All of which would need different information for example the Greeks may need more information about Jewish culture. It may be true that none of the Gospels are the word of God but as I understand it the 4 that made it into the current cannon are the oldest written either by desciples or their immediate contemporaries. All the gnostic gospels such as they are have been dated to significantly later and carry a much different message.

 

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My main point, they aren't the word of God, rather ppl wrote what they heard or see. And when we see differences we ask which one is the true one???

when we have very old or ancient manuscripts it doesn't mean that what is written in it is true??

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Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

All those nations have made terrible mistakes, and are to blame for some things. The Palestinian refuge camps are over 50 years old, an unequalled length of time, and the host countries still refuse to allow the camp members to become citizens of their countries, and end their state of limbo.
Israel has done many things I find distasteful. Given 78% of what was British Palestine in 1948, they bulldozed up to 260 Palestinian villages, and even though they got the better quality land, and over 3/4 of it, they resorted to invading and occupying even more of it and built settlements there to solidify their grip. They were able to use the best weaponry available to fight, and they won. In the west, if a jet fighter that is virtually untouchable bombs a Muslim neighborhood, kills a terrorist, and 25 innocents, hes a hero. What if you can't buy the fighter jet, then you must sacrifice your own life in a suicide bombing, and get called a coward terrorist. If I had to choose who was the coward...

 

Anyone who uses the word of god to justify killing and cruelty believes in a lousey god.

If you think god is telling you to be cruel or to kill, listen harder.

"Do unto others as you would be done unto" is one of the very few pan-religous commandments.

 

Yes, you did by repeatedly telling me I was off topic. Many Muslim people point to the Bible claiming that Muhammad is actually spoken of before the Qu'ran. Well, if the Bible is corrupted how are we sure that they were speaking of Muhammad. Many Muslims, yourself included, have pointed out Bible verses to prove your point. Does that make your point invalid due to the corrupt verses found in the Bible?

 

CatStevens and Fat Tony,

You also need to consider that even the gospels that WERE NOT corrupted by the ideas of man may have been destroyed. Christianity is based up the Roman Catholic Church as it was formed in the early 4th 21st Century. Emporer Constantine appointed himself the first Pope, appointed 1000 "learned clergymen" to the Council of Nicea and tasked them with editing all known religious writings into something condensed and useable. Whatever was not used was destroyed. Whatever did not fit Constantine's vision of the Holy Roman Empire was destroyed. So what was lost? We will never know.

Also, this was the beginnings of hatred for all that which was NOT of Christ (namely Judaism and Islam). Soon after came the Crusades and the Inquisitions. You know, torture, death, genocide... Bush, Cheney, Falwell, Robertson, Sharon, et al would have fit right in.

If that isn't corruption, I don't know what is.

 

BlackGuardXIII​

Do you know why? read why ​

And when israel stole their lands and displaced them what do you call their state the state of what?​

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Ppl should ask themselves, Why there are suicide bombings??? ​

*Peace and love* ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

Portalguy
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Were ya off topic? If so, then yeah you should be on topic, or create a new thread.
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Now is this on topic?
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The Qur'aan mentioned that (that there are prophecies in the Bible about him), plus at the time (before and during prophet mohd's pbuh life) there were ppl waiting for His coming (for the prophecy to be fulfilld) and many of them embraced Islam (Jews and Christians) ​

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I already clarified this matter, Re-read post#21 carefully.
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Yeah, I read about this matter.
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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FatFreddyFreekowtski​

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Muhammad Al-Hilali & Muhsin Khan's translation​

[046:009] Say (O Muhammad pbuh):"I am not a new thing among the Messengers (of Allah) (i.e. I am not the first Messenger) nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am but a plain warner." ​

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[046:010] Say: "Tell me! If this (Quran) is from Allah, and you deny it, and a witness from among the Children of Israel (Abdullah bin Salam (He was a Jewish) testifies that this Quran is from Allah (like the Taurat (Torah)), so he believed (embraced Islam) while you are too proud (to believe)." Verily! Allah guides not the people who are Zalimoon (polytheists, disbelievers and wrong-doing).​

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[007:157] Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write (i.e.Muhammad pbuh) whom they find written with them in the (Torah) and the (Gospel) (i.e. whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures).​

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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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FatFreddyFreekowtski​

Ok here are some links:​

Prophecies about Islam in the Bible - My open challenge to anyone to refute this​

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Muhammad-and-Judaism/​

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT MOHAMMED ​

http://www.muhammad.net/biblelp/index.htm​

http://www.islamicity.com/Mosque/Muhammad_Bible.HTM​

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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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The Bible does not mention Muhammad by name, yet it does speak that at the time of the end, Israel would exist as a nation one more time. And it also names a number of Islamic nations that will rise up to attack her. And the Bible tells us these nations would be defeated in one of the final battles by God, and the Jews themselves would finally learn who their God is. I may add it appears the Jews and the Islamic nations will be surprised when they learn who He is. This is spoken of in the Bible, and it states this will happen in the latter years.

 

I already discussed these issues with ya.​

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Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens
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Cat,

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Originally Posted by BlackGuardXIII
The Palestinian refuge camps are over 50 years old, an unequalled length of time, and the host countries still refuse to allow the camp members to become citizens of their countries...

Do you know why? read why ​

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Yes, I have an idea, but I don't see the reasons I have read as being any excuse for such a lengthy internment and segregation. If Israel is set on never relinquishing control of the lands that the refugees desire, their best option, imho, is to become citizens of their host nation, be it Syria, Lebanon, etc.​

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Originally Posted by BlackGuardXIII
and end their state of limbo.

And when israel stole their lands and displaced them what do you call their state the state of what?​

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Same as the Kurds. I call their state the unfortunate state of violated victims. The nation of Kurdistan was arbitrarily dissolved, much to the Kurds dismay, but that changes nothing. Israel was given 78% of what had been Palestine, and have since added even more land to that, leaving Palestinians with at most, maybe one fifth the area of their former nation. It's sad beyond words.​

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Originally Posted by BlackGuardXIII

then you must sacrifice your own life in a suicide bombing



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Ppl should ask themselves, Why there are suicide bombings???​

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Cuz F-22 Raptors, F-117's, and smart bombs are too pricey for their budget, so they have little choice in the matter. Either sacrifice ones life for the cause, or surrender. If they could use stealth bombers and M1 Abrams tanks, I bet they would do so. No one wants to die.​

 

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i.e. bow down to Israel's pressure ,huh!​

What is your best option (talk to the zionists not only to those countries who are hosting them, they the zionists are the REAL Problem) BTW I'm not looking for your answer, you know there are other uses for questions.​

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I didn't ask ya about them, my question was, ​

And when israel stole their lands and displaced them what do you call their state the state of what?​

(BTW you really don't have to answer any of my q)​

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I didn't mean that, Why are they doing so!!!!! it is a "reaction'' get it.​

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*Peace and love* ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens
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I had a discussion with my parents about that. I try to remain neutral on the Israeli wars thing, and on Bush. I have not enough information to judge....may make you go like " WOW O_O" but, yeah, not enough info, who knows for what *true* reasons these wars accure, it may be something that the people behind all these tragedies and wars haven't really opened up to the public for various reasons. AND I know that *if* I form an oppinion and *if* I dare to share it I'd either get yelled at by either a Christian fundamentalist or somebody that would *call* me a Christian fundamentalist. ^^; you know?
So...I stay quiet lol.

But yes, I do believe Jesus does not like manslaughter or murder for something that can be prevented elsewise. It's anti-...New Testament.
In the Old testament it was different because David for instance, liked peace, as one Psalm says, but back then it would have been a displayal of Gods power when it came to war, because each country sorta had it's own gods and they tried to show their gods power like that showing that " their god is more powerful then the others", and war was not really preventable back then.
Now we have a Gospel of peace that God brought, that went even deper into personal issues, "love" is number one not "justice" that much more ( though it is still a big thing. ) and this changed alot, also, we have the ability to prevent war because we just have more control over social relationships than people did back in BC.

 

ryupower Hi, How are ya, How are ya doing, I hope you are fine and doing OK
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ON On on Bush, regarding what...​

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things are clear I think, or maybe to me ​

Masha'Allah this very wise sista =)​

Read and get info from both sides, reliable sources and documents cannot be denied, many times you will find simila info from both sides, it needs efforts ya =) ​

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No problem sista, you know, that's your opinion, clarify it and say why =) we all have different opinions regarding many issues, no problem =)​

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I took a look at some Passages in the Bible about the wars, but maybe isn't that the only reason. maybe they were defending themselves against their enemies as well.​

WoW This is the quote of the day​

Congrats​

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Forgiveness & love =) then Justice ​

yeah I can find this in Islam as well ^^ when we love we forgive =)​

Quraan:..Let them pardon and forgive. Do you not love that Allah should forgive you? And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (forgive Allah's creatures , Allah will forgive ya =D ) ​

{ Show mercy to those on earth, and God will show mercy to you.}Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
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*Peace and love* ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

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Yay! I gotta quote of the day!
( and I typoed "Deeper". :'( )

I have no real oppinion, seriously, I don't like war, but I have no clue what's really going on anyways. XD
that clares it.
and yes, how am I? I am alive, How are you?

 

ryupower

Congrats

I am alive =)

*Peace and love* ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

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