The Jews Return to Israel (1948), just a coincidence?

Thank you ryupower, I really needed to take this a little slower, because they will never get it, I believe unless you show them how the Bible works, it will go right over their heads.
God does not use names much, but He describes nations, and people by descriptions. Well thank you anyway.

 

thats because there is no christian God. Men, making vague predictions, wrote the bible which you bindly worship thousands of years later.

 

But congrats, campbell! you managed to find ONE other person on these forums which shares in your crazy ass views on christianity.

 

Well if you take the time to study the Bible, you can learn a lot. I'm 54 years old and have studied this book over many years. Yet if all you are about is opposing something, without knowledge of what it is your opposing, all you become, is a talking head. And your statement is true, because the Bible states that wide is the gate that leads to distruction, and many their be that go in there at, but narrow is the way that leads to life eternal, and few their be that find it.

 

ive wasted enough of my childhood years learning about the bible. I was brought up in a reasonable catholic community; not one obssessed over vague superstitions found hidden in the bible. I learned the over-all message of the bible, and the message of chrstianity, and this is enough to be a faithful christian. dont put so mcuh faith into the exact words of the bible, it wasnt written by God it was written by men (whom you say are not without error). I bet you would have had a much happier life had you not devoted your life to trying to actually make sense of a book which was meant to be purely symbolic.

 

No I'm not. And no, I'm not a mormon either.

 

Ohh, I thought you got the date 1844 from when Joseph Smith was assassinated.

 

If the Bible was just symbolic, why then are they finding that the prophecies and events, have been, and are being fulfilled literally? When you live a life just for self, it is shallow with little meaning. The best times of my life have been in service to Christ. He's not just some historical figure to me. I have heard His audible voice, I have walked the approches of heaven. The Bible is real, for I have experienced the true author of this Book. And He is truly alive.

 

"They" are not finding that the prophecies are being fulfilled. You are. And that's because you're delusional. You've heard the voice of Christ? Funny, the Pope hasn't. I suggest you go see a psychiatrist - hearing the voices of dead people and people who aren't there is a condition known as schizophrenia. It's a very serious disease and you should seek treatment.

I do hope for the sake of the gene pool that you haven't spawned any offspring.

 

Oh so Campbell came up with these prophecies on his own? Hmmmm yet theologians and believers well before him had long knew of the prophecies even hundreds of years of go. It is the people who actively deny and refuse to listen to the prophecies that when they are fulfilled they do not understand....

How do you know the Pope hasn't heard the word of God? Jesus is very much alive! Perhaps, you will only ackowledge this when you are standing before him and you see the holes in his hands.... but by then it will be to late for the acknowledgment.

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

-Matthew 7:13,14


Like most of the world, you are just another person walking on the broad road.....

 

Campbell, you think that you are living for someone else--CHrist--but you are only living for yourself deep down. You want to get to heaven, but instead of loving your neighbors and loving people like Jesus (if he existed) really taught you are twisting your religion and worshiping the person of Jesus, instead of living his message. So, you are being even more selfish by worshiping a dead man, instead of bettering the world you live in NOW.

In your crazy-ass view of the world, it is be ok for you to say things like gays are going to hell, non jesus-worshippers are damned, and your God is the only way, because in the end, you believe you are doing the right thing. But if you werent plagued with this type of mental condition, you would see that your "philosophy" is the most selfish of all.

 

Hes not saying that Campbell himself came up with these fake fufillments....
Dont you know that if people tell themselves a lie long enough, they will convince themselves it is the truth? I believe it is the same with all of these new "findings proving" the bible. I mean, why wouldnt crazy zealots be looking for stories to fit to the prophecies? They want to see the bible fufilled in their lifetime, so theyre going to make it happen. Youre just a blind follower, and i feel sorry for you.

 

They are not finding that the prophecies are being fulfilled? Well here is one post from THEY. And THEY say you are wrong. And if you believe THEY are not finding that the prophecies are being fulfilled, then it is you who is the delusional one here. Because THEY have many posts, from many people who are speaking about the fulfilled prophecies. Sorry, it's not just me, but many others.
http://www.bible.ca/b-prophecy-60.htm

 

The reason one billion people call Christ God is because He fulfilled all of the prophecies about Him in the Old Testament. Thats why Christians worship Jesus today. Maybe you should consider the prophecies.

http://www.bible.ca/b-prophecy-60.htm

 

Man, is this a joke? Check out the Brahan Seer, a distant relative of mine who predicted more things than you can count, and a vast majority of them have come true. We share the same name, although I go by Mac because I am the IV in my family. The Brahan Seer was a pagan "prophet" or whatever you want to call him, and he even predicted the oil that would appear in Scotland! Prophecies are a broad category that includes prophets of other faiths. The Jews only got Israel because of a PR campaign that was sympathetic to their plight after world war two, and also because of the works of Theodore Hertzl. The Zionist movement that basically stated that the only way for the Jews to escape persecution, was to create their own Jewish nation. Besides, why are you so hung up on the prophecies of the Old Testament being fulfilled? Don't you know that the Old Testament is full of hipocracy, paganism, and unstable relationships between man and God, as well as man and man? Learn Hebrew and read it again, but remain open to the idea that the Bible has been extremely distorted throughout time, and that there really is no one true law other than the examples and teachings of Christ. The ten commandments are nullified by the sacrifice of the Christ, and therefore there it a new covenant that is created from the blood and body of the Messiah. The Old Testament is there to show you how NOT to live, because it is full of error and poor judgement. The Old Testament tells us that we should take a disobedient child out in the street and stone him to death for his sin. I believe that is in Deutoronomy, but I'm not sure... I have read it though, in Hebrew, and I can tell you that this is not a prophecy being fulfilled, rather this is a PR campaign that we have created in order to capitalize on their financial success, and also to have a good ally in this war that we knew was coming, but no one wanted to recognize it. Look at our political system, the way it was formed, who is in charge, and then look at the roots of the cultures that founded our country.... Then you will see the unfortunate state of things as they exist right now. You will see Christ not as a person who saves souls, rather as an example of a way of life... quite similar to muhamed (sp?), and in the same light, they're ideas and spiritual lifestyles have been distorted by the crookedness of man's erronious heart. Perhaps you are right that this prophecy was fulfilled, but when you have a deeper understanding (which, unfortunately, most people are to lazy to actually do the research and learn), you may see things in a different light. Not to say that you will see that you were wrong or right, but you will see Christ in a light that will probably bring you closer to Him than ever before... you will see the mortality of the Lord, and that is where you are connected as a mortal being.... it's a beautiful moment of enlightenment, that has forever shaped my comprehension of Christ and His message. I am not completely a Christian, myself, but my father is a minister, and I love learning about the Church and Christianity. I would say that I am a Christian in the sense that I follow and appreciate the teachings and wonderful message of love that Jesus brought, but I believe that my soul needs more than simply that, so therefore I am a naturalist-type "pagan," for lack of a better word. I still love you guys a whole lot, but my path is not one that follows in your direction. Please don't take this as an attack on you, but please do take the time to develop an intellectual understanding of what you so fervently profess, friend. I hope that you continue to develop your relationship with Christ, and I don't want to ruin it for you, but I believe that when you see Christ as a man, then you will see your own reflection through his eyes... the eyes of a man who holds the world behind his eyelids...

Peace,
-Mac

 

Brahan Seer vast majority of his prophecies came true. The problem with that statement is, the Bible states that all true prophecy from God must be 100%. Anything short of 100% are words that donot come from God. Also, I do not see any book, that stated Brahan Seer would be coming to this world like the Old Testament Bible said of Jesus. The Ten Commandments were never made null and void because Christ encourages us to follow these commandments. Also, Brahan did not die for the sins of the world. Yet the Old Testament said the one to come would. The one to come who fulfilled all of the prophecies of His coming was Jesus Christ. He also died for the sin of the world. Brahan Seer never changed a man from the inside out, Jesus Christ has. Brahan Seer is dead, Jesus Christ is alive. I have personally seen the power of Christ, and have witinessed the fear that comes on demons at the meer mention of His name.

 

Well, it's nice to know you have such faith, but you need to recognize the fact that Jesus said that in him, there would be a new covenant; one that would be greater than the old covenant of the deutoronomic codes and the ten commandments. Those were great laws for their time, and I agree that they are very good for this day and age, but read the four gospels closely... perhaps in Greek if you know it, and you will see contradictions, a cyclical argument, begun by the Jews, and carried into Christianity, and you will see that the life of Christ is not really well defined nor determined by one single interpretation. There is a whole world of possibilities relating to the life of Christ.

And by the way, the Brahan Seer was predicted... hundreds of years ago in Ireland, where the MacKenzie (MacCoineach) clan came from. To understand that, you'll need to learn how to read gaelic and the ogham alphabet, as well as latin because the early Roman Catholic monks recorded many of the Celtic "Faerie Tales" in order to understand their culture. I believe that people never die, and there is no proof that Jesus even died on the cross. There are so many possibilities and false witnesses of Christ, and the inability for many Christians to follow his example with any sense of integrity, that I cannot see the Christ as the Divine presence of God. Jesus may be alive to you, and that is all well and good, and I'm not trying to say that he isn't, but perhaps Christ lives on because he is remembered. Christ never asked us to worship him, rather we are to worship God, his father, right?

I have personally witnessed the power of a pagan magi heal a sick friend from an indeterminable disease that required hospitalization. I have felt the presence of the moon and the femenine spirit of calm, coolness. I have felt the rage of the firey masculine spirits, and I have seen the arrangement of Platonic metaphysics at work in the world throughout time. As far as Jesus goes... I have only seen his name provoke fear in the hearts of non-Christians, and that fear breeds indifference, which is not healthy for either side. The Jews say that they need their own state, and way back when... they tried to keep their race as pure as possible, in order to protect the covenant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They were cruel, violent, and hateful towards outsiders, and that is NOT what God, the creator of the Heavens and Earth, wanted!

Anyways, the Brahan Seer and Jesus Christ are both alive, and both dead in the same way. The Brahan Seer is not my God, nor is Jesus Christ (the incarnate man) claiming to be God. They are both prophets of the same Divine Spirit, perhaps, and in this way, while their physical bodies are dead, they are alive in Spirit. Isn't it kinda odd how we all believe religious ideas that come from Indo-European and Middle Eastern areas? I personally am too skeptical to believe any of that, even though Plato could perhaps be placed among those people. Anyways, good luck learning about the foundations of Christianity, and don't lose your faith by learning... it will strengthen it like a wall of solid steel. Just use reliable resources, and stay away from Biblical quotations of passages... those can be turned into anything someone wants you to believe if you don't know the story behind it all.

Peace

 

i would like to see a reliable source from a site other than www.bible.com...maybe like a reputable historical/science magazine

 

Jesus brought the New Covenant. He did not destroy the Law, He fulfilled it. He still encourages us to follow it today.

Brahan Seer did not die for the sins of the World. The MacKenzies and Brahan Seer have made little impact on the world. Jesus did die for the sins of the world, and has had a major impact on the world. As the Bible clearly stated He would.

Jesus & the Father are the same God. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one.

Yes some Jews were hateful in Jesus day, and they had Christ put to death but the Bible clearly stated that His own people would reject Him. And the scriptures stated this hundreds of years before His birth.

No, Jesus Christ is more than just spirit, for His Resurrection was physical. That is why they could not find His body.

And no I would not stay away from the scriptures, for they speak the truth and is the Word of God, which you reject.

When Jesus was lifted up into heaven, those present worshipped Him. And Christians sill worship Him to this very day.

Brahan Seer was led by a spirit, but it was not the spirit of the Living God, but rather His adversary.

 

Science magazines usually have little intrest in checking religious prophecies.
Many scientest already have a nuts and bolts approach to the world we live in which often means the Bible is looked upon as superstition. Yet others who are not only looking at test tubes may take the time to consider what is written in the pages of the Bible. The prophecies and those who study them are vast and many sites on the web can be found dicussing them.

http://www.leaderu.com/truth/1truth22.html