The Jews Return to Israel (1948), just a coincidence?

also it is kind of normal that america would try to act like the fullfiller of god's will

 

I shall respond to each section of your post in order.

So they would return from every direction? Wow, amazing. We're going to discard this one as useless.

First of all, I don't know how you can say that, when Jews have never stopped going to the Holy Land, even in secret when necessary. As far as the creation of the nation of Israel is concerned, the State of Israel was proclaimed on May 14, 1948 and included areas north and west of Jerusalem as well as south.

First of all, please provide me with the scripture chapter and verse that says this. Secondly, they did not retake Jerusalem second. After proclaiming the State of Israel, the new Jewish state was attacked by a coalition of Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen. Through this conflict, Israel conquered 26% of the former British Mandate territory west of the Jordan River. Jordan captured 21% of the territory (known as the West Bank) and East Jerusalem and the old city. Egypt captured the Gaza Strip. In 1957, Israel was accorded the right to traverse the Strait of Tiran. All of this happened _before_ the six-day war in 1967, in which Israel conquered the Golan Heights, the Sinai peninsula, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, and all of Jerusalem.

Sources: The Library of Congress: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/iltoc.html
Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

Again, that's like me saying that when a Yankees fan returns to his home in Boston, he's going to be surrounded by enemies. A bit pointless.

Let's have a look:
ISRAEL
GDP: $120.9 billion
GDP growth rate: 1.3%
GDP per capita: $19,800
Population below poverty line: 18%
Unemployment rate: 10.7%

EGYPT
GDP: $295.2 billion
GDP growth rate: 3.1%
GDP per capita: $4,000
Population below poverty line: 16.7%
Unemployment rate: 9.9%

SAUDI ARABIA
GDP: $287.8 billion
GDP growth rate: 5.3%
GDP per capita: $11,800
Population below poverty line: N/A
Unemployment rate: 25%

You are right that Israel does have the highest per capita GDP of any countries in the immediate vicinity, but there are several problems with your statement. First, per capita is not the measurement used when determining a nation's prosperity. As you can see, both Egypt and Saudi Arabia have well over twice Israel's GDP; they are more productive. Furthermore, their GDP is growing faster. However, they are more populous and the gap between their rich and their poor is greater, leading to a lower per capita GDP.

It is also important to note that Israel's public debt is a whopping 108.6% of its GDP.

"Israel usually posts sizable current account deficits, which are covered by large transfer payments from abroad and by foreign loans. Roughly half of the government's external debt is owed to the US, which is its major source of economic and military aid."

They exist because we allow them to. With debt in excess of its GDP, Israel is the opposite of prosperous.

Source: The CIA World Factbook: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/

Well, I'm glad that modern irrigation techniques could fulfill this dream. Tell me, when Germany was beaten in WWI, what do you think the sentiment was? I believe it was, "Germany shall rise again!" Come to think of it, wasn't that also the sentiment in the American South following the Civil War? Gee, sure seems like that's a common theme to humanity.

Agriculture consists of only 2.6% of Israel's labor force (when combined with forestry and fishing) and 2.8% of its GDP.

Israel is only the 45th highest-grossing exporting nation in the world, not even including the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Source: The CIA World Factbook: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/

If you limit the exports solely to those of an agricultural nature, Israel exports roughly $590 million of agricultural products each year.

Source: The Israeli Embassy: http://www.israel-embassy.org.uk/web/pages/agrisrel.htm

By comparison, the United States exported over $60 billion in agricultural goods in 2004.

Source: The United States Department of Agriculture: http://www.ers.usda.gov/data/fatus/monthlysummary.htm

Brazil (a member of the organization known as the Cairns Group, which is responsible for roughly 25% of worldwide agricultural exports (and of which neither Israel nor the United States are members) - http://www.cairnsgroup.org/statistics/ ) exports agricultural goods in the amount of tens of billions as well.

Source: The Brazilian Embassy: http://www.brazil.org.uk/page.php?cid=161&offset=2

Again, let's take a look:
ISRAEL
For Jews and Druzes, service in the IDF is compulsory beginning at age 17 - for 36 months in the case of males, and 21 months for females. Service is voluntary for Christians, Muslims, and Circassians.
Israel spends $9.11 billion on its military each year.
Military expenditures account for 8.7% of Israel's GDP.
When you're surrounded by enemies, one might think you would want to have a strong army.

UNITED STATES
At age 18, males are eligible for voluntary service.
The United States spends $370.7 billion on its military each year.
This accounts for 3.3% of our GDP.

CHINA
At age 18, males are required to enlist for 24 months. There is no minimum age for voluntary service; 17 for females who meet requirements for specific military jobs.
China spends $60 billion on its military each year.
This represents 3.5-5% of its GDP.

GERMANY
At age 18, males serve a 9-month tour of duty. Service beyond is voluntary.
Germany spends $35.063 billion on its military each year.
This represents 1.5% of Germany's GDP.

So yes, of the 'warlike nations,' Israel spends the highest percentage of its GDP on its military - but it's peanuts compared to the other three. Especially ours - that number is revolting. Much of their strength comes directly from us - what does the Bible say about Israel using the most powerful nation on Earth as a crutch?

Tell you what. I hereby prophesy that in a time of great tragedy, the minions of Satan will destroy the Vatican. But the holy will preserve the faith, and shall raise the Basilica anew.

As to the East Gate, I can find no reliable source that isn't some sort of Christian Bible-study material, and as has been pointed out before, you cannot use a document to prove itself. I guarantee you, though, that if I went to the East Gate with a pickaxe and some dynamite, I could break through it, though I might be killed for doing so.

 

In a way, you can break it down to this: The Jews believe that the Messiah will be accompanied by the prophet Elijah.

The Christians believe that Elijah came in the form of John the Baptist.

 

It's easy to tell someone they are wrong when you don't have to explain why they are wrong. Just tell them they are wrong. Forget about actually thinking about the facts, especially when you don't have any. Just give them a chapter in the bible. That should do it. What is petty is calling non-Christians wrong, but then excusing yourself from any explanation of why.

I've italicized my changes to show your hypocrisy. I've bolded my changes that fix your grammar/spelling.

 

oh and my point about using the bible as direction can be true here too, with israel putting emphasis in their military, and america aiding it, because it was written in their holy books.

 

haha new member will get along fine with peacefuljeffrey

 

We do have historical documentation that speaks of Jesus that falls outside of the Bible, so I believe His historical reality would be hard to deny given the evidence at hand. If the story of Christ was simple make believe, there would be no historical references to His existance. Yet even the darkness that covered the Earth is mentioned by some, on the day He was put to death.

 

We also have historical documentation that Atlantis existed. Look, I can make claims without backing them up, too! And they're just as valid!

 

Jer (USA) lem America was in the middle, before we existed.

 

Ovid's Fasti provides plenty of documentation on Roman mythology. It's an interesting read. It's not as widespread as Christian mytho... "religion", but it's still interesting.

 

Random question: Where in the bible does it say that Señor God is down with people violating one of the most sacred rules (thou shalt not kill) in his name? Is it cool to do so if you're bringing the big guy's (chick's?) word to the heathens (non-believers, infidels, freethinkers, etc.)? Doesn't that sort of fly in the face of having those ten strict rules laid out? I know that the big three state that you shouldn't worship other deities, but isn't it more their problem that they're not worshipping the right one than it is the problem of those that want to force these ten rules on everyone else? If those with the rules are right, then won't the others find out sooner or later that they screwed up?

 

no one really said god approved of the killing in his name. that is, the new, reformed god who choses to be nice after a certain point in time (after killing all those people who didnt kiss his ass) even though he is teh same throughout all time and space.

 

Of course it is only Christians pointing out the Eastern Gate prophecy. Why would any one who wasn't for God and the Bible want to give any credit that the Bible may actually be the true word of God. So you are saying that a source is not reliable if it is from a Christian?

Here is a decent website about the Eastern Gate:

http://www.lamblion.com/articles/prophecy/general/bpg-06.php

I encourage all to take a look.



Oh yeah, if you were to knock down and walk through the East Gate, even though you may be killed, atleast you would prove Christianity wrong. You would be a martyr for atheist everywhere, but of course that will never happen. God's words never pass away and the gate still stands!

 

What if he's actually the messiah (jesus returned), breaks down the wall, but you christians kill him because you think he's a heretic and evil for breaking the gate. that would be funny. boy would you guys feel dumb, haha

 

If you even had some knowledge of the prophecies you would know that TRUE Christians will be long gone when Christ walks through that gate.....



There are many wannabe Christians out there... and you have a point in that if these "fake christians" did meet up with Jesus they probably would be against him. But God has a true people who shun evil and they are the ones who know Him and He knows them.

 

I for one would like to give credit if possible, because I care about facts and am able to admit when I am wrong. What I am saying is that a source is not reliable if it's a) not from an organization with the same outlook and b) from a person or group of people who simply want everyone to believe in the prophecy. History has shown that this type of person makes up all kinds of data to suit their own ends, and therefore cannot be trusted.

I wasn't looking for a site about the prophecy: there are about 900 million of them, and you've simply supplied us with one more. What I am looking for is a reliable secular source documenting the actual history of the artifact known as the East Gate. I could find nothing, and I was asking for your help to prove that it's something more than just a section of wall with arched decoration that resembles the outline of a doorway.

 

so you can say whatever you want about this eh? caus youll be gone by the time it happens. that is... if you are a true christian.

 

I am just telling you what the Bible says; if you have a problem take it up with the author of the Bible.

And Oh yeah God knows my heart......

 

Which one?

 

jesusdiedforu are you saying you would be able to tell the true christ if he came down among 50 other fakes christs? whats makes you so right and others "fake christians"?