The jews are almost all gone

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  1. JesusDiedForU

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    Here is what the Bible predicts about the Jews...
    *The Jews would return to Israel (1948).
    *The exact order the Jews would reclaim the land.
    Judah first (1948) ​
    Jerusalem Second (1967)​
    *That when the Jews return to Israel, they would be one nation with one ruler.
    Note: Before the Jews were kicked out of Israel, it was divided into two nations with two rulers. ​
    *Israel would be surrounded by enemies...They are

    *Israel would have one of the strongest armies in the world...They do
    *The Eastern Gate in Jerusalem will remain closed untill Christ walks through it. Despite several attempts, over 400 years, no one has walked through nor open the Gate.
     
  2. Colours

    Colours Senior Member

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    see, other people's interpretations don't help anything.
     
  3. JesusDiedForU

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    It's clearly stated in the Bible... would you like me to give you the dirrect verse?
     
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    *The Jews would return to Israel (1948).
    Ezekiel 37
    *The exact order the Jews would reclaim the land.
    Judah first (1948) ​
    Jerusalem Second (1967)​
    -Zechariah 12:7
    *That when the Jews return to Israel, they would be one nation with one ruler.
    Note: Before the Jews were kicked out of Israel, it was divided into two nations with two rulers. ​
    -Ezekiel 37:21,22

    *Israel would have one of the strongest armies in the world...They do
    *The Eastern Gate in Jerusalem will remain closed untill Christ walks through it. Despite several attempts, over 400 years, no one has walked through nor open the Gate.
    -Ezekiel 44:1-3
     
  6. the dauer

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    Jesus... Instead of giving a number of "interpretations" with the sources cited, why don't you just let the sources speak for themselves? Quote for us the sources instead of the interpretations.

    Dauer
     
  7. JesusDiedForU

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    Well if you click on the "interpretation" it will actually take you to a website with the actual verse and a detailed explanation of the verse : )
     
  8. the dauer

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    I'm not interested in that, J. That's just more interpretation, more bells and whistles. And it directs me off site. If the text is really a prophecy, we'll all recognize it as one when it's presented in the context of the rest of the bible, with only a few of your own brief words at the end saying, "See, this really is a prophecy." We are after all living in these times.

    Dauer
     
  9. JesusDiedForU

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    The verses are on the upper right of the webpage...

    But I will just assume that it is to hard to refute the truth. Especially when it is happening before your very eyes.

    I gave you the text. I even gave you professional interpretations of the the texts. These passages are clear to the point and the only way a person cannot see that is if they do not look at it at all.

    If you want to see these passages in context I know a great site:

    www.biblegateway.com
     
  10. the dauer

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    Jesus, I'm not interested in interpretation. You didn't simply give me professional interpretation. You gave me biased interpretation from your pov. If you really want to prove your point, just C&P the passages alone, without interpretation. If you don't, it only stands to reason that you don't think the passages can stand on their own without interpretation, as you have not yet supplied that.

    Dauer
     
  11. JesusDiedForU

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    -Keep in mind you can still click on the paraphrase for professional commentary and additional information. Remember, everyone has a bias, it is just a matter if you agree with the bias or not.



    *The Jews would return to Israel (1948).

    10
    Jacob left Beersheba and set out for Haran.
    11
    When he reached a certain place, he stopped for the night because the sun had set. Taking one of the stones there, he put it under his head and lay down to sleep.
    12
    He had a dream in which he saw a stairway[1] resting on the earth, with its top reaching to heaven, and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.
    13
    There above it[2] stood the LORD, and he said: "I am the LORD, the God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac. I will give you and your descendants the land on which you are lying.
    14
    Your descendants will be like the dust of the earth, and you will spread out to the west and to the east, to the north and to the south. All peoples on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring.
    15
    I am with you and will watch over you wherever you go, and I will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you."


    Deuteronomy 30:3-5

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    then the LORD your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you.
    4
    Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the LORD your God will gather you and bring you back.
    5
    He will bring you to the land that belonged to your fathers, and you will take possession of it. He will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers.



    Isaiah 27:12-13

    12
    In that day the LORD will thresh from the flowing Euphrates[1] to the Wadi of Egypt, and you, O Israelites, will be gathered up one by one.
    13
    And in that day a great trumpet will sound. Those who were perishing in Assyria and those who were exiled in Egypt will come and worship the LORD on the holy mountain in Jerusalem.



    Isaiah 43:5-6
    Isaiah 43
    5
    Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west.
    6
    I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth--



    Jeremiah 23:3-6

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    "I myself will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and will bring them back to their pasture, where they will be fruitful and increase in number.
    4
    I will place shepherds over them who will tend them, and they will no longer be afraid or terrified, nor will any be missing," declares the LORD.
    5
    "The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will raise up to David[1] a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land.
    6
    In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: The LORD Our Righteousness.


    Jeremiah 32:36-37
    The Jews would survive Babylonian rule and return home
    36
    "You are saying about this city, `By the sword, famine and plague it will be handed over to the king of Babylon'; but this is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says:
    37
    I will surely gather them from all the lands where I banish them in my furious anger and great wrath; I will bring them back to this place and let them live in safety.


    Jeremiah 32:37-41
    The Jews would return to Israel

    37
    I will surely gather them from all the lands where I banish them in my furious anger and great wrath; I will bring them back to this place and let them live in safety.
    38
    They will be my people, and I will be their God.
    39
    I will give them singleness of heart and action, so that they will always fear me for their own good and the good of their children after them.
    40
    I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never stop doing good to them, and I will inspire them to fear me, so that they will never turn away from me.
    41
    I will rejoice in doing them good and will assuredly plant them in this land with all my heart and soul.


    Ezekiel 20:34
    Ezekiel said the Jews would return to Israel

    34
    I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered--with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath.



    Ezekiel 34:13
    13
    I will bring them out from the nations and gather them from the countries, and I will bring them into their own land. I will pasture them on the mountains of Israel, in the ravines and in all the settlements in the land.


    Ezekiel 36:24
    Israel would be re-gathered
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    "`For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land.



    Amos 9:14-15


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    I will bring back my exiled[1] people Israel; they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine; they will make gardens and eat their fruit.
    15
    I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them," says the LORD your God.



    Zechariah 8:7-8

    7
    This is what the LORD Almighty says: "I will save my people from the countries of the east and the west.
    8
    I will bring them back to live in Jerusalem; they will be my people, and I will be faithful and righteous to them as their God."

     
  12. the dauer

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    This I completely agree with, however some biases are much more obvious than others. It's not an even playing field. Thank you for posting actual translations of the texts.

    Can you explain how these historical documents relate to our present time? I see no relation.

    Dauer
     
  13. JesusDiedForU

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    THE DECLARATION OF THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL May 14, 1948


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    The return of the Jews to Israel is the key to Bible prophecy. Most other endtime prophecies depend on the Jewish people living in Israel and not scattered amongst the Gentiles. Israel has not existed as a nation since hundreds of years before the birth of Christ.

    WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO WATCH ISRAEL!

    Israel is as narrow as only 60 Km. wide, and is less than 21,000 total sq. Km. (About the same size as New Jersey or Vancouver Island) However, despite its small size, Israel is often the Center of World attention




     
  14. the dauer

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    Problem is that Israel as we know it today is a secular state, meaning it couldn't fulfill prophecy. Not to mention the fact that it just gave up some of its land.

    Myself personally, I don't believe in prophecy, and I supported giving up that land in the name of peace.

    The other problem is that the Jews of the world today will not accept a king. They're generally too liberal, and even when they're not, they're too divided. Moshiach, you know, simply means annointed one, which is a term for a leader, like Joshua or David or Cyrus.

    So you still haven't shown how the prophecies relate to today. Israel is the center of world attention because of the interest three religions have in it, and not for any other reason.

    Dauer
     
  15. JesusDiedForU

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    What matters is that they physically returned. Tell me: Was there even an Israel 100 years ago? Are there Jews living in Israel and are more returning to the reoccupied land?

    You probably do not believe in the prophecies because you know little about them. Centuries ago the Jewish people knew and believed the prophecies but it is the new jews reject them.

    "The other problem is that the Jews of the world today will not accept a king." What are you talking about... Israel has a prime minister.

    Your problem, like the majority of the world, is that you simply do not know the prophecies. So it seems strange and to unblieveable to you. In the years that lie ahead the God of the Bible will be doing great wonders in the land of Israel. There will be peace in the Middle East before we die. My advice to you is: Stop thinking in the boundaries of men but rather in the boundaries of God--where there are no boundaries.
     
  16. the dauer

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    There were Jews physically in Israel 100 years ago. Today there are Jews leaving Israel and going to other countries like America. I've known some of them.

    I do not believe in the prophecies because prophecy is an irrational belief with no basis.

    A prime minister is not a king. A prime minister is an elected official. He also has to go through the knesset to get anything done. Very democratic.

    If there are no boundaries in God, then God's will cannot be limited by the bible. Otherwise, you enslave God's will to the boundaries set forth in the bible.

    Dauer
     
  17. JesusDiedForU

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    When did the abundance of Jews return to Israel? And tell me are there more Jews leaving Israel or returning?

    I have no Idea why we are defining a king and a PM... I have no idea why you brought up a king in the first place... haha

    The Bible does not confine God but shows his power. Although it was written by men, it was inspired by God. We know this through prophecy. Only God can know the future in detail with a 100% accuracy. What boundaries is God "set forth in the Bible."
     
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    Just thought I add...

    I am in Philosophy right now and my professor says... The Jews were kicked out of Israel by the Romans almost 2000 years ago and did not exist as a state until 1948.

    Take another glance at those prophecies : )
     
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    There is an abundance of Jews outside of Israel. And I don't have access to the second statistic so I won't comment.

    Moshiach means annointed one, which is a leader. Cyrus is called moshiach, as is Joshua and David.

    If the bible says, "God will do that and this and this." then it limits God only to that possible outcome. It enslaves Her.

    What does that have to do with philosophy, and why are you telling me things I already know?
     
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    -The largest amount of Jews live in Israel, the second amount of Jews live in America. The Bible states most of the Jews will return to Israel out of America.



    Moshiach means annointed one, which is a leader. Cyrus is called moshiach, as is Joshua and David.-Yeah, I have no Idea why you brought that up in the first place. What is its relevance to the conversation?



    If the bible says, "God will do that and this and this." then it limits God only to that possible outcome. It enslaves Her.-When I say "Stop looking at the boundaries of men but rather the boundaries of God" what I mean by that is when I say God is going return all the Jews to Israel and then people say "That is impossible!" and it is impossible when you think about it in a human concept but in the concept of God nothing is impossible.



    What does that have to do with philosophy, and why are you telling me things I already know?[/QUOTE]
    It was just a side note my professor said and it reminded me of this conversation. If you already know these events then you know that they were long written down in the Bible well before they happened.
     

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