The Intelligence of Republicans !!!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Vladimir Illich, Feb 28, 2020.

  1. Beach Ball Lady Balls

    Beach Ball Lady Balls Banned

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    Well, yes, as I said, I know it is Forbes, but the description of how it is, is 100 percent true. I have been through it and go through it. Live it, Our health care is not good, it is not what you think or what is presented in the media by the government here. A year to wait for mandatory surgery is common. I have been through that. It is not good. You have to pay for the government healthcare plus additional healthcare.

    EDITORIAL: Canada’s medical wait times are unacceptable

    it is also hard to find reports on this because media is government controlled for the most part.
    Anyhow, I can only tell you how it is from my personal experience, personally experiencing the decline...etc...

    and what the articles don’t tell you either is the time it takes for all testing needed prior to the surgery being booked.
     
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  3. granite45

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    We think it would be a great deal for you to send us Trudeau and we’ll send you Trump and throw in Barr, Rick Scott, and Steve Brannon for good measure.
     
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  4. MeAgain

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    Okay, I'm back.

    Wait times in Canada for non emergency surgeries are generally longer than in the U.S. as reported in your Fraser Institute study.
    But the same study finds that overall the Canadian healthcare system fairs better than the U.S. system:
    Wait times aren't due to the single payer system, but as your article states, it's due to the fact that Canadians like you don't want to pay more taxes to support that system.
    You can pay more taxes and share the cost (I know socialism) or you can go to a private system where the cost isn't shared and the richest get the best treatment and the poor the worse, or none at all.

    From what I'm reading you don't even have a national healthcare plan. You have thirteen different insurance plans, each getting to choose how they're funded.
    You pay the same general percentage of taxes as an upper income Californian, but there is no national healthcare insurance in the U.S.
    The average U.S. citizen pays 29.8%. in taxes, the highest rate is 37%. ~ 2
    The highest rate in Canada is 33% with an average of 24.7%, as near as I can tell. ~3
    So our tax rate is higher, yet we still need to pay for healthcare.

    Additionally, everyone in Canada has healthcare, even if they have to wait for elective coverage. In the U.S. 26 million people have no healthcare insurance at all (12.2 % of adults...not counting 5% of children, 2.9 million in 2018). Of those insured in the U.S. 34% have trouble paying deductibles. 50% report not going for needed healthcare becasue of the cost, 29% report not taking medicine as prescribed due to the cost, and 26% have difficulty paying medical bills. ~ 4

    So, overall I'll trade you.
     
  5. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    ok, 1 in every 4 dollars you earn goes to heathcare. 66.7% of what you earn goes to the government. Then they took out the penny, you pay 14% on average on everything you buy. People like me you say? Lol. That is rather judgemental and clearly you have zero clue. Absolutely zero idea. Then there are hidden taxes involved in everything you buy, before you buy something there is already about 10 percent added on for the government, hidden taxes. From jan1-August 27 goes to the government, that is 66.7 percent, what is left you have to survive on, try to budget, while paying taxes on your necessities, cost of heating increased for the carbon tax, water too, you have to pay for pay for everything it goes to the government who grandstands but does jack shit, Libs has even tried to tax the air,. So let’s add a carbon tax and introduce the carbon plan which was thrown out as soon as the tax was approved, poorer provinces have to pay 15% on everything. That is their tax on purchases. Ontario it is 13% but it rounds up or down, depending. Averages out to 14%. GTS (goods and services tax) was a tax added, which libs brought s in to pay for the debt. It has not been used for this, by them.

    so who is the problem with exactly? Because people like me say enough is enough as you have abused us and turned us into slaves with no thought or consideration. People like you think this is ok. The problem is you believing the bs. How much do you want? How much more of a slave do you want?
     
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  6. MeAgain

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    I thought you said you pay to much in taxes, that's why I said people like you.

    How have I turned you into a slave, or abused you?
     
  7. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    so you don’t think that 66.7% of your income going to the government is too much? You think it should be more? You think paying 15 percent on purchases is not enough? You think the hidden taxes of 10 percent on purchases is not enough? This was suppose to be roads and carbon, but we are additionally taxed for roads and they still put in toll roads, which the people built in the first place. You think that an additional carbon tax is not enough? How much do you think is enough? When taxes reach 100 percent and still the healthcare sucks because the money is not put where
    it was suppose to be used and has been given to the UN? When the debt is not being paid even though it was suppose to be? When the carbon tax is not used for a carbon plan that is non existent? You seriously can’t be this dense.

    what do you think is the proper amount? 100 percent taxation and nothing changes only gets worse?

    you said that it was better here, you presented false numbers too regarding Canada, you pay way less in healthcare and receive better care, yet ours is better, with long wait times and inadequate equipment?
     
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  8. Bwahahahahahahahaha

    THIS is what I'm talking about. SO literal.

    I admit "you" was used so much in the post that the delineation was obscured, but she was not referring to you personally. More like a jab at the state on that particular point.
     
  9. MeAgain

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    Think so? I'm not the state.
     
  10. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    And yes slaves for a government that doesn’t give a shit, grandstands on bs principals taking and taking for things they want to present as a crisis while they don’t look into their own backyard. We slave for them and have shit to show for it. Well do you want to be a slave to the government or do you want to do for you and your family? I say fuck everyone else now. I matter, I don’t give a fuck about what the government says. I don’t give a fuck about the things left wing tells me is important. It is up to me, not laws telling me what I should and shouldn’t care about, or who I should care for either.

    if the numbers are the same, which they are not, why is our healthcare system so much worse?
    People die waiting here.
     
  11. You're not? OMG, how wrong I have been about you all these years [slapping self]
     
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  12. MeAgain

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    Where did you get this 66.7% tax rate?
    It seems to be about 24% in the U.S.
    Canada isn't too bad of either:
     
  13. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    From pay cheque’s

    so in the USA you see a 24 percent reduction. For what do you get ?

    25% for healthcare alone. As I said. 1 in every four dollars. Which doesn’t cover a lot of necessary things, because they gave things and took those necessary, mandatory surgeries away, the left did... so you have to pay more to get the care required with privatized healthcare in addition to what the government takes,
     
  14. MeAgain

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    Your healthcare system is pretty good, you just don't believe that fact.
    30th 0ut 0f 190 something.
    30th out of 100.
     
  15. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    Then you must pay into CPP (pension) and EI (employment insurance) income tax as well.
     
  16. MeAgain

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    You said 1 in every four dollars goes to healthcare...67% in overall taxes..
    I don't understand. The average overall tax rate in the U.S. is 24% including all taxes except sales taxes which vary by state and amount of purchases. We still have to buy health insurance on top of that.
     
  17. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    you truly are delusional. With shit care and extremely long waiting times. You seem to want more when you said you are pleased with it. How much more do you want? Do you want longer wait times and shit care? Is that what you are getting at here?
     
  18. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    All tolled with 25 percent for healthcare and the other deductions it is 66.7 percent off the top, do you understand basic math?
     
  19. unfocusedanakin

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    Ask a Canadian and they will say this inaccurate. You wait because you can. If you could not you would not. Odd that this is one of the things to you that must prove goverment healthcare is bad.

    You know how long I have waited for American healthcare? Many hours when I was bleeding all over the waiting room and over a year when I was not. I'm not sure your system works. Do you know who does not wait? The rich which is why for example they can find Covid tests. When people say American healthcare is good they usually mean that if they lived their fantasy and were wealthy they could simply pay to not wait. They don't mean that the average person gets fair treatment.
     
  20. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    Omg a couple of hours. Lol. Try waiting a year.
     
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