The "I" must die! |--|

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  1. Francisco

    Francisco Member

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    yes i believe "god" is with you, and in you.......

    yet which "god" ??????

    indeed you bear witness to your "god". he who is
    "the god of this world", "the father of lies", he who
    authored "the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh,
    and the pride of life", he who authored "I" :-((((((

    may the "eye" of your understanding be opened that
    you might "see" that the "I" in you, is your "god":-((((((

    while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    peace, even as war rages....... francisco
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  2. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    God is pretty entertaining. "The father of lies", or to rephrase it "The creator of fiction to entertain and dazzle" is totally lovable. It's nice to clearly see what is ficticious and that which is true, I enjoy all things that God brings me (including your silly dramatic sadness).

    Nope. I am just in God, I am not God. My understanding of God is part of me, but God is a seperate entity.

    If you are farting a lot, you might need to doo a number as well.
     
  3. Francisco

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    not wrong, and no guess.......

    the words in your other postings reveal that you
    yet dwell in your "catholic upbringing".......

    and the words of The Messiah yet convict you.......

    "except a man deny himself("I"), he can not be my disciple"

    simply, "I" must die so that the "I AM" can dwell within.

    as The Messiah, so also His Brethren must desire above all else,
    "Father, not my will, But THY Will Be Done"!

    "I(that which is my will) must die".......period.......

    The Messiah testified: "the words i speak are not my words
    but are the words of Our Father WHO sent me." "the works
    i do are not my works but are the works of Our Father WHO
    sent me." "i can do nothing of my ownself".......

    so choose, die to "I" today or experience "death" in the forever.......

    while there is breath(spirit) there is hope you would rightly choose!

    peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francisco
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  4. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    You are sooooo silly Francesco. If the "I" dies, who will God shower blessings upon?
     
  5. Francisco

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    indeed your words bear witness to your need.

    once again, with a few modifications:

    yes i believe there is a "god" with you, and in you.......

    yet which "god" ??????

    indeed you bear witness to your "god". he who is
    "the god of this world", "the father of lies", he who
    authored "the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh,
    and the pride of life", he who authored "I" :-((((((

    may the "eye" of your understanding be opened that
    you might "see" that the "I" in you, is of the "god" that
    is in you, and that you are but a pawn of the "the god
    of this world", he who is "the father of lies" :-((((((

    and as all who are subject unto him, you but serve
    "time" in the prison that is this wicked, evil world.

    yet while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    peace, even as war rages....... francisco
    http://ASpiritualJourney.Org
     
  6. Francisco

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    sad for you :-((((((

    yet once again, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    peace, even as war rages....... francisco
     
  7. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    Ohh, you mean I am a little god or something? How cute. Do you think God calls God's children gods just like we call a Cat's children kitties?
    I am a child of God. Pawn has such negative connotations. Whelp, I know that the God of everything is the God of this world. Pretty funny that Jesus calls God "Satan, the god of this world". hehe, God is so silly.

    Yeah. TIt is so wild that God chose to raise me in a wicked evil world. hahaha. God kicks ass :)
     
  8. Francisco

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    sad for you :-((((((

    yet once again, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    peace, even as war rages....... francisco
    http://ASpiritualJourney.Org
     
  9. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    Liar. I love you :)
     
  10. Francisco

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    sadder yet for you:-((((((

    you don't even know what "love" is.......

    all deluded servants of "the god of this world"
    have accepted his version of "love", which is
    rightly called lust :-((((((

    all that is "good" is of The Good Spirit!

    Love, Joy, Peace, Hope,,,, all are of The Great
    Spirit, and all are Spirit! and the fleshly mind?
    well, once again, ""I" must die".

    New Life, Of The Spirit!
    Forever, the only Reality!

    and only that which is Real is forever Life.

    while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!
    hope that the "eye of your understanding
    would be opened".

    peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francisco
    http://ASpiritualJourney.Org
     
  11. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    Liar. I love you dorkmeister.
    Well, one of the definitions of lust is :b : [size=-1]ENTHUSIASM[/size], [size=-1]EAGERNESS[/size] (courtesy of m-w.com) which is barely an adequate description of how I feel about God (whether or not you are an angel or a brother, I do not know). An indescribable feeling (unless we just call it love- but that doesn't describe it) of happiness and contentment is what I feel at times. A good analogy for my feelings is a young wine that needs to age and mellow.

    Well, that can be taken different ways. Of 'The Good Spirit' could refer to what the God has begot (which I am) or what is part of God (which I am not). God didn't fuck up when God made me, so that means I am Good.

    All those retards who say you must be one with God... Ugghhh. Gross. I want to hang out and make out with God, not be God.

    Well, God know's when to kill the I, so I will leave it up to God.
    Awesome, yummy and hot.

    thanks. me too.
     
  12. Francisco

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    simply, sad for you:-((((((
    but one of the "tree's walking".

    yet while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    peace, even as war rages....... francisco
    http://ASpiritualJourney.Org
     
  13. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    Sad for you that you cannot see that my enjoyment of the simple gifts of God is a beautiful and happy thing, not a sad thing.

    Poor deluded liar. Yet there is hope for you for God is with us.
     
  14. Francisco

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    your words testify against you khar......

    all you know is your fleshly mind and you
    are of those "whose god is their bellies
    for they mind earthly, fleshly things."

    naught but a perverse "i'm ok, you're ok" dreamer.

    yet while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    peace, even as war rages....... francisco
    http://ASpiritualJourney.Org
     
  15. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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    Francisco post on my new thread

    you may be able to help

    then again I have lost faith
     
  16. Francisco

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    have posted.......

    lost faith? hoping for the miracle that will set your faith on a
    solid foundation! Our Father, HE can Help!

    while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    peace, even as war rages....... francisco
     
  17. Francisco

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    so sad for you:-((((((

    "I AM" is that which "The Only True GOD" called HIMself.......
    such is recorded in what the "christian's" call their "bible",
    in the book of exodus chapter 3, verse 14.......

    hoping you return to the battle ground before you breathe your last.

    may you choose for "The Life" and reject the "my(I) life".

    while yet in this wicked, evil world(babylon) all who seek and desire
    The Will of Our Father are engaged in spiritual warfare, yet come
    that time when they breathe their last they will hear those wonder
    filled words, Welcome Home!!!

    home at last!

    tears of joy ....... forever ....... francisco
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  18. Francisco

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    sad for you:-(((((( "I", "ME", they both deny the "WE", and so it
    is in this wicked, evil day that common union(tribe) is a but a foreign
    word to the self-seeking multitudes.

    sadder yet because, like so many others, you also
    "use" but a portion of the writings in that which the
    "christians" call their "bible", and in doing so you
    create your own personal "version".

    now as to the subject matter of this thread.......

    what do The Testimonies say regarding ""I" must die"?

    and specifically what did The Messiah bear witness too
    regarding The Truth of ""I" must die"?

    the following is recorded in Mark 8:31-38

    And The Messiah began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer
    many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.




    And He was stating the matter plainly. And Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him.



    But turning around and seeing His disciples, He rebuked Peter and said, "Get behind Me, Satan; for you are not setting your mind on God's interests, but man's."



    And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself("I"), and take up his cross and follow Me."



    "For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life("I") for My sake and the gospel's will save it."



    "For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul?"



    "For what will a man give in exchange for his soul?"
    "For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels."

    and the Apostle Paul testifed:

    "let no man seek his own("I") but every man
    the others wealth".

    "I" am crucified with The Messiah: nevertheless i live; yet not "I", but
    The Messiah lives in me: and the life which i now live in the flesh i live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

    now i can understand how someone, raised as a "christian",
    especially in the us of a, could have a misunderstanding
    concerning "denying himself("I")".
     
  19. Francisco

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    "judge you"? your own words judge you, and as for me
    discernment is my portion. thanks be to Our Father!

    sad for you:-(((((( "I", "ME", both rise up against the "WE",
    and so today common union(tribe) is but a foreign word
    to the multitudes of self(I")-seeking worldlings.

    sadder yet that you "use" that which the "christians" call
    their "bible" to suit your own("I") purposes because in
    so doing you create your own("I") polluted version of
    self("I") Truth.

    The Messiah testified:

    "except a man deny himself("I"), he can not be My disciple".

    "For whoever wishes to save his("I") life will lose it, but
    whoever loses his("I") life for My sake and the gospel's
    will save it."

    "He who loves his("I") life will lose it, and he who hates his("I")
    life in this world will keep it for eternal life.

    and the Apostle Paul testified:

    "the mystery of the gospel revealed, which is The Messiah in you
    the hope of glory". no longer "I" or "me" but "He".......

    ""I" am crucified with The Messiah: nevertheless i live; yet not "I",
    but The Messiah lives in me: and the life which i now live in the flesh
    i live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself
    for me."

    indeed, "to live yet die(to "I") seems an impossible task,
    and so of Our Father we need the impossible to ask!"

    now i really don't expect the "eye of your understanding"
    to be opened now and yet:

    while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    hope that many would receive the simplicity that is
    "The Way to The Truth of The Life".......

    simply, as The Messiah, so His Brethren will desire above
    all else, "Father, not my(what "I") will, But THY Will Be Done"!

    peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francisco
    http://ASpiritualJourney.Org
     
  20. Francisco

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    sad for you:-((((((

    indeed the "I" recognizes the other "I"'s yet does not
    recognize the WE. tribal peoples are attacked on every
    side by the "I" lovers.

    there is only one "I" that needs be recognized.......period.......

    The Messiah served The Only True "I" and so do
    His Brethren.

    sad for you because as others you seem to be one
    who has turned and yet turns away from The Truth
    because you yet believe "chirstianity" represents
    what they call their "bible", when in fact "christianity"
    is Anti-Messiah.

    can but hope you would seek The Only True GOD,
    and that your desire would be to follow The Way
    to The Truth of The Life which The Messiah
    revealed both in what He taught and in His Life
    examlpe.

    while there is breath(spirit) there is hope indeed!

    as to the "god" who has taught you? the "god of
    this world" has multitudes of "I" disciples.......

    and yes i believe you will always be, it's where
    you will be that concerns me.......

    peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francisco
    ASpiritualJourney.Org
     
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