The GOP is finished?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Jul 21, 2020.

  1. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    I heard an argument that if the Republicans lose the next Presidential elections and especially lose control of the senate, then basically the Republican Party is finished or at least will be out of power for many years.

    The argument runs that many of the Republican voters are older and are dying out, that the demographic are changing in other ways that favour the Democrats and that laws will be brought in to stop (and regress) gerrymandering and voter suppression.

    That if the GOP doesn’t change quiet radically it can’t win and that even if such changes could be done that would take a while because one there is no will to do that and second because the older generation of politicians would have to be replaced and that takes time.

    Time that could be used by Democrats to correct a lot of things

    But I’d also say that while I’ve long argued against the two party state that the US become I’ve also said that there is one thing worse than a two party state and that is a one party state.
  2. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Members

    Nothing wrong with a Socialist Republic - comrade !!! :wink::laughing::laughing::laughing:
  3. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

    Reply to post one: One can only hope. It seems that every time republicans are in charge of this country--it takes the democrats to repair the damage the repubs do. Most recently when Bush and the repubs pretty nearly crashed the world economy only to be repaired by Obama. The mess we have here now will take a herculean effort to fix. Hopefully the rule of law can be restored after this bunch of criminals is thrown out.
  4. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

    I predict we'll see a reflection of what happened in the UK elections last year
  5. Idlewild

    Idlewild Members

    That's what they said about the GOP after the GWB disaster. Just two years later, they gained control of the House, and two years after that--the Senate. Voters have short memories and they vote more with their emotions than with their brains. And then they elected Trump.

    The GOP keeps getting worse and worse, moving further towards authoritarianism, which is apparently what a lot of people in America want.
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  6. Since whoever wins in November gets a nation with record unemployment and debt

    As a long term strategy, wouldn't it make sense to hand things over to the other guys for 4 years so everyone can bitch and moan and blame them

    If Trump wins in November, more likely you'll see two terms of a Dem President after 2024

    If Biden wins more likely he wont be able to fix the mess, only get one term, then two terms of a Rep President after that

    Either way, a Rep President gets two out of three of the next three terms

    Aside from that, how much do you really think the Donald gives a fuck if he loses in November?, he loses what happens, gets a free security detail, federal pension and gets to go play golf all day
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  7. Also, maybe they should stop calling it the Grand Old Party because for want of a better word, that sounds kind of gay
  8. Tishomingo

    Tishomingo Members

    And the odd thing is many of their supporters think the party stands for Liberty--Freedom not to wear face masks!

    I think if Trump loses, he'll challenge the elections as illegitimate and fraudulent and will try to mobilize his base to support him. We'll see if he's successful. If he is, there goes U.S. democracy.
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  9. Michael1985

    Michael1985 Member

    I don't think so. The right will continue to support them because there's nowhere else for their votes to go.
  10. The only sensible post you will see in this thread
  11. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member

    Wrong if Trump loses in November he becomes a cellmate with his former attorney and bosom buddy Michael Cohen
  12. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    A great deal actuly.

    Someone with his mental shortcomings can not accept defeat. It's not about money or benefits. His feelings are hurt. Take for example how he said wearing a mask disrespects him. He didn't say it was stupid because there is no virus he said people he has never met are doing it just to upset him,

    That doesn't seem like a red flag to you? He's more sensitive than a middle school girl.

    Why do you think so called voter fraud is such a big deal? If he was planning to just leave and accept the perks he would not bitch about that. His ego is on the line and since 2016 he's been upset he lost the popular vote.
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  13. Yawn
  14. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member

    He would be allowed to have visitors.

    What's a simple flight from Australia to JFK Airport in New York for his number one fan.
    You could rent a car or take a Uber to Rikers Island for an autograph and a selfie
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  15. Tishomingo

    Tishomingo Members

    And bring him a kangaroo pie with a file in it.
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  16. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

    Hey--watch it--that's HIS GUY! And that's SO very important, doncha' know.
  17. FritzDaKatx2

    FritzDaKatx2 Vinegar Taster

    I think it more likely that America is finished in the few years following the next election (At least in the sense of how we know it today, but not taking dissolution off the table)
    Polichickens have relied on the division game for far too long and I think whichever of the two loosers win, the opposing side is going to get downright radicalized "Taliban"-style.
    Some serious shit headed towards the proverbial fan I think.
  18. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    The amount of protests on either side is an excellent example of how screwed Republicans are and why they depend on rigged voting.

    Right wing people want to protest and it's a few dozen people max for a day or two. When they do it they are mocked because their issues are seen as silly or extreme,.

    The left protests and it's gone on for weeks and there are thousands each day in many cities. Their protests cause things to change. How many statues are gone? How many sports teams have changed their name? How many companies have tweeted black lives matter?

    And how many people were forced into giving a haircut? I see a big difference in results between the two groups.

    There is a lot more of one group and according to Republicans they are the only ones who care enough to do anything. We can see that's a lie so they have no choice but to go more and more extreme. They can not with with a true democracy.
  19. Idlewild

    Idlewild Members

    Naaa, once he loses, that's it. He could still win by cheating, though. He's trying to suppress the vote by crippling the postal service knowing that his base would turn out no matter what. Liberals aren't so willing to risk their lives to vote.
  20. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member HipForums Supporter

    I think I know what is meant by "finished". Ideologically I think that there is a definite rut, but unfortunately that doesn't negate voting for them. People are coming out of their proverbial closets to bask in the new American frontier. There is a vision to be had for them, and they're not wasting any time becoming vocal about it. The trouble is as you might imagine that some of the older and wiser among them will not be so rash. Some of this is controversial. That tends to look bad on TV and on the front page. It may win the House of Representatives at some point for all I know. A Senate seat here and there...

    I think what I'm getting at here is there is different direction than that making its way front and center.

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