The General Election

Twitter has accused the Conservatives of misleading the public after they rebranded one of their official party accounts to make it look like a factchecking service during the ITV leaders’ debate.

Twitter accuses Tories of misleading public with 'factcheck' foray

 

I do agree to a point . However many people are looking at the leaders because the job they will have to do is to lead the country and neither of them seem to fit the bill IMHO. Its the leaders that sell the policies of their respective parties .

I agree also about Labour on Brexit. They appear to be floundering a lot and the "roaming" voter will not like that . The Tories are concentrating on their main strength which is Brexit and labour's weakness .

 

Mysteron

Yes I should have said that personalities count in leadership and we do mark the time by leaders Wilson, Thatcher, Blair they are remember, but the policies often carried on under others Callaghan, Major, Brown and it is the policies that have the actual long term consequences.

To me Corbyn is a nice guy with some good ideas (and some bad) who just isn’t a party leader and Boris is just been played by others, a useful idiot is what Cummings probably calls him, he is easy to play because all he wants is the trappings of power lacking the ability to wield real power

 

So to say again

In a General election there are lots of little races where there are safe seats and marginal, safe seats are where one party or another always win that seat and marginal places were only a few votes can swing it one way or another you could literally have just one vote saying who is the winner.

So the important thing is to find out what your voting district is like and to vote tactically to make sure the Conservatives don’t get in because this is the most hard-line neoliberal Conservative Party and if put in power it is likely to end in a hard (even crash out) Brexit and more austerity but this time on steroids.

So vote Lib Dem, Green, or if tactically if that means voting Labour then hold your nose and do it especially if you are a remainer, because if that happens we are likely to get a hung parliament and at least you can have another vote in 4 years (or less) but if the Tories get in then a hard Brexit and its repercussions will not be sorted for a generation or more and we loose the NHS and what is left of our welfare state

 

If they had replaced Corbyn after he lost the last election and found the right kind of leader, Labour should be killing it right now.

But they are not. I actually agree with Mysterons assertion. Neither of them look and feel like Prime Ministers

And the timing of the election itself, start of winter, 2 weeks before Christmas is pretty much going to guarantee a lower voter turnout. The most loyal voters getting a bigger representation.

I just dont see how you are not going to end up with a hung parliament

Or if the Tories do creep just over the line with a clear majority much of the reason for that will be because the vote was two weeks before christmas. And thus a lot of big decisions following from that. You will never see a second referendum ....because the vote was two weeks before Christmas

Its a little bit loopy

 

Perhaps the best Result would be a hung parliament - and a Coalition seeing Sturgeon as PM -?

 

The latest scumbag 'nasty party' wheeze - Raise the rate at which National Insurance is paid to (eventually) £12,500.

What the scumbags don't tell you, is by doing that they will take millions of workers out of Pension and benefit entitlement, since access to both pensions and benefits is dependant on National Insurance contributions, and therefore they will not improve but impoverish many more millions of workers !!!

 

Boris even announced it with a barefaced lie saying it would “put £500 into the pockets of everybody."

But the Conservatives own figures say it would be only £100 and independent analyses have put the reality at £85 or possibly lower. And the low paid and pensioners will gain nothing from this move.

National Insurance is a community chest that is paid in so that it can be drawn out when needed and covers many benefits including not just state pensions but incapacity and invalidity benefits.

Once again this is just another case of the Tories defunding public services a whole load of middle class people will get 85 pounds (an amount which many would happily pay out for one restaurant meal) but the cost to the country will be more deprivation, less social care and the need for even more food banks.

We have to have anything but the Tories.

 

I would love to know who you vote for if you detest the tories and what they stand for.

I reckon the Tories are a bit like One Nation here in Australia.
I reckon they might be as annoying as Jehovas witness as well.

 

To beat the Tories the best thing is to be informed

There are tactical voting websites out there (I'm not giving any a recommendation) but they might help but I repeat best to check up anyway

Look up the tactical vote in your constituency

Tactical voting lets you use your vote strategically to get the overall election result you want to see.

The UK uses an election system called first-past-the-post, where the candidate who gets the most votes in each constituency wins. This makes it possible for MPs to get elected without winning the support of a majority of the voters, if the opposition is divided.

By voting tactically, you can overcome this problem, uniting behind the candidate who has the best chance of defeating the Conservatives where you live. They may not be your first choice, but your vote for them can help stop the Tories. This website is a tool to help you decide on your tactical vote.

https://www.remainunited.org/

Your voice, your vote, your only chance to stop Boris
Vote Tactically on Thursday 12 December 2019
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But you need to be careful I’ve been told there are bogus sites

Beware of tactical voting websites | Letters

 

I live in a marginal seat area whereby the Tories had a 1.83% majority in 2017 over Labour in second .I may need to tactical vote but in effect it will be 3 votes from our household. None of us voted in the 2017 election.

 

Young people have to be getting sick of paying for the ever increasing number of oldies. Something has to give

I dont see Pension benefits ever increasing in real terms

 

Most young people in employment will have a private pension as its a statutory duty of an employer to place them into it if they are over 22. They can opt out but it isnt easy and can take around 6 weeks ( discouraged from doing so) and then again in 3 years they are placed back into it again .

So in theory the younger ones when they reach pensionable age will be less reliant on the State pension.

But what all the parties need to do with the exception of the Green Party is to listen what young voters need because they are all failing at the moment .

 

It’s not a matter of young and old but of wealth been better distributed so that it give help to the majority and not just the few.

As I’ve said this is a rich country it’s just that neoliberal policies have increased inequality so that the already wealthy are much better off while for nearly everyone else incomes have stagnated or fallen.

 

So I just heard Priti Patel the fucking Home bloody Secretary claiming that the Conservative party government are not at fault for poverty levels in the country, that its actually the fault of local authorities even though the Tory government are actually responsible for either direct cutting public services or have forced such cuts by slashing the funding going to local authorities.

It’s like watching someone taking a shit on the carpet then pulling up their pants and blaming the dog for it.

 

The United Nations poverty envoy said during a visit to the UK last year that the [Tory] government had imposed “great misery” on people in the country with “punitive, mean-spirited, and often callous” austerity policies.

Priti Patel says Tory government not to blame for poverty in UK

Honestly it seems like an active campaign assisted by the right wing press to gaslight a whole country

It’s like the Conservatives are saying ‘oh look at all the problems and misery in the country vote for us and we will fix that’ – WHEN THEY ARE THE ONES THAT CAUSED ALL THOSE PROBLEMS AND ALL THAT MISERY

 

Of course in part it has to do with young vs old. Has been since the dawn of time

And part of distrbuting that wealth you speak of now is paying for climate change action

Corbyn himself is 70 yrs old, nearly geriatric, and being white wouldnt help nowadays either

When he talks about social housing, do you think younger voters think he is talking about young families, young migrant families

Noooooo

He is talking about pensioners

Lets vote in a government thats going to spend more on old people housing and old people healthcare at the cost of climate change action and the environment, student fees, inner city housing close to work for young families.

The world over, I just dont see it happening.

Or more and more, the more liberal political party in whichever country just telling the oldies what they want to hear to get voted in, then turn around and cut services to the old, to give to the young

 

So let me get this straight.

Corbyn wants to increase minimum wage to £10 at the same time increase company taxes, and no mention of adjusting your already staggering rate of VAT at 20% on some products


And he wants to freeze the pension age

And he wants to somehow bring the railways back under government control even though it was EU directives that forced you to deregulate them

And....wait for it, build 100,000 council homes a year....whilst getting back to a zero emissions target

Goooood luck with all that

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