The Free Speech Crisis

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ZenKarma, Sep 3, 2019.

  1. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    I don't know the topic tbh lol.
    He's right though. There seems to be a lot of experts on absolutely nothing and no experts on anything we can use in life lol.

    Need to know if you're a right wing homoojobic racist? Hipforums has you covered.

    Need to do something to live? Nah nah we don't know that.
     
  2. Meliai

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    The topic of this thread is about the spread of misinformation
    So yeah, question and cross reference.
    Some "news" articles make claims without providing their original source, or the original source is dubious or unverified
    Academia sources that make certain claims can still be cross referenced so I'm not sure what the issue is there, any source can be approached critically. But generally an academia paper is going to be more thoroughly researched than a Breitbart article, for example. Being able to determine if a source is credible or not is an important aspect to it.
    I'm not really interested in talking about what certain hipforum members do, that's not what this thread is about (although I do know the two most likely to source from academia also are most likely to triple cross reference and provide multiple sources so I dont see the issue there).

    If there arent any experts in a field then there arent any experts, I'm sure you'll step up and pretend to be an expert anyways ;)
     
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  3. Meliai

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    Most claims made on the internet take like all of 2 minutes to cross reference so it isnt like it requires the digging through academic papers anyways
     
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  4. Irminsul

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    But how do we know the information in front of us is actually legit? I'm sure we've all read something on the internet that was pure garbage I'll put my hand up to admit that.

    In terms of the science community they can publish theoretical papers 24/7and as we shoukd know by now, they don't even know if what they've written is correct all not its just a theoretical possibility.

    Googling one bit of information yields 2 million results in 0.4 seconds, what do we trust, what do we go to? Google use to be one a religion of its own, it had an answer for everything. Now it's just utter chaos and confusion. People want to find out information they click the first link available and preach it whether right or wrong and I've noticed that first link isn't always the best page to learn information, I've caught people out on that before.

    Also it seems like 98% of Google results are just pages who have copy and pasted the same information with the grammatical errors and all. Do the people who host those pages even read it, or did they just copy and paste the first thing on Google?

    I don't think it's as clear cut as researching. At the end of the day, people are going to find some sort of information for whatever argument they're having, they're going to find it on google and that's going to hold ground for them and the next person is going to go to the next webpage instead.
     
  5. That's simple, the economies of the world will collapse in a cascade. The only ones who won't be utterly ruined are already existing in that standard. I don't think people realize just how far we can slide back.

    It's possible to plunge us all into a 19th century living standard. Though I think we could work our way out of it in a decade or two. There will be a massive human die off, especially in densely populated areas. Likely to be rather disgusting.
     
  6. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    What we have here is a failure to communicate. Unless you can agree upon the definition of the words in the dictionary, misinformation is the least of your problems.
     
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  7. Irminsul

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    Dictionary definitions don't matter on HF. It's a proven fact. As long as you think you know what something means, that's pretty much good enough. Tried and tested.
     
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  8. wooleeheron

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    Yeah, my hemorrhoid cream was tested on bunnies first.
     
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  9. parua

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    Sometimes appears to be at least 40% sophists.
     
  10. TheGreatShoeScam

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    No one can punch you in the face over the internet so the exact opposite of "an armed society is a polite society" takes place.

    I was playing in the comment section of https://thehill.com and I think that all the arguments for and against the left and right "ideologies" have been made so many times its degenerated into a low IQ insult fest.

    Terrible for me cause the libertarian label fits me best and I get attacked from both sides mistaken as supporting their opponent.

    Plus I think the censorship is frustrating people and making it worse as they feel their voice is being shut down so they get more aggressive. And that stupid myth about censoring conservatives. Government accountability sites on both sides are getting banned off platforms and buried or removed from search results, they are censoring dissent.
     
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  11. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    There's no myth or confusion over the fact the KKK is destroying the government, the republican party, and now the economy again. Destruction is all they know and 40% of the country assumes Donald Duck is actually being constructive, despite constantly threatening to declare martial law and being shunned by the entire international community. Sorry, but its hard to call it politics anymore when there is not a shred of evidence that your vote still matters.
     
  12. Irminsul

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    I find it extremely hard to believe that a few clowns in white robes have any influence over anything.
     
  13. wooleeheron

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    They don't, but the banks and the Mafia do, both of which love them to death. Have you been hiding under a rock? Is corruption merely an abstract concept?
     
  14. Irminsul

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    But you just said....
     
  15. wooleeheron

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    They are driving our government into the dirt for the benefit of the 1%, who stand to profit the most if the entire world economy collapses.
     
  16. Irminsul

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    But you don't even like your government. :tearsofjoy:
     
  17. wooleeheron

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    I don't HAVE a government, I have international cartels and the fucking lynch mob! I expect the witch trials to start any day now!
     
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  18. Irminsul

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    Oh ok then.
     
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  19. Balbus

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    Irm

    You do the research.

    So how did you know they were ‘garbage’?

    I’m sorry but I do have to point out again to you and your readers that you ‘liked’ someone posted (gave it your support) only then to later to admit you hadn’t read it or anything else in the thread it was in and didn’t even know what was been discusses.

    And your point?

    Why not?

    So you get ALL your information from google – have you ever thought of doing research beyond the internet?

    For a lot of my life the internet didn’t exist and google was only founded in 1998 – what do you think people did before then to get information?

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    What this piece of sophistry seems to be arguing is that its not much point doing research or getting informed as nothing can be trusted - so nothing has validity or everything has validity and that it doesn’t matter either way.

    But I’m sorry it does - to quote Douglas Adams on one of his characters, the man “for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing’
     

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