The Electric Car

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by xexon, Dec 22, 2008.

  1. audreyhudges

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    If this can happen, we can save lots of money and energy by consuming this electric car. I guess, nowadays people are using solar panel car and electric car. We would love to see how this electric car very useful to all owners.

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  2. psychedelicpiper

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    There was a man who successfully built a car engine that could run on water, and was getting it ready for mass production. The problem is he was murdered.

    I agree that this electric car hype is BS. At the most it'll just be part of a rich-niche market. The system still needs to fund its wars. Oil is here to stay until every last drop is gone.
     
  3. relaxxx

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    I've been watching the price of older used hybrids. I seen some honda civic's and Toyota Prius hybrids listed in the 5-6k range. Hybrids could be converted to full electric a lot easier than converting a full gas car. An 8 year old Prius probably needs battery work but there's some potential in these things.

    So what about HHO Hybrid?

    There's HHO generator kits available but they don't really do much. That's because they draw huge amps directly from the alternator, that puts more load on the motor, that has to run harder... BUT what if you power the HHO generator from a bank of batteries in your trunk? This could be a way to use a lot less gas without the cost and complexity of a whole electric motor conversion job.
     
  4. sunfighter

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    From Reuters:

     
  5. RooRshack

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    The problem with the volt is that while they cost 89k to produce, you can spend like ten thousand and outfit a used vehicle (of your choice.... it can be your high school dream car, or a super light efficient suzuki swift covered in solar cells...) as a full-blown plug-in that will be as drivable as the volt, or moreso.... a full highway-ready car with some reasonable power, not some neighborhood golf-cart. And by reasonable, I mean that if you elect to keep a manual transmission and a clutch, you have to be careful, because these electric setups can (and will) easily shatter your gears if you dump the clutch.

    So.... why the fuck would you buy a volt? There's companies that will do it for you, give them a call and you can start talking as fast as you can with a chevy dealer.
     
  6. indydude

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    Exactly! Why did GM have to make the Volt w/every option like a luxiary car? Start out with a basic no-frills plugin to keep costs down. GM sells basic stripped down vehicles in China for around $5K. Small trucks and such.
    I have a 96 Neon two door I want to convert to full plug in. Lightweight and airodynamic. I'm afraid it will take major electro. skills to do it.
     
  7. permyor

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    Well, EV is an option for us. The electric vehicle may soon need its own PR male. There has been a slew of negative news about the non-polluting cars of late, including one from the federal government. In spite of massive pushes and bonuses, for reasons unknown, the car getting public just has not caught on fire over electric cars.
     
  8. RetiredHippie

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    WOW, they killed off another one I see. Back in the 60's "they" killed off a guy who invented a carburator that got over 100 MPG's. Must be a conspiracy.
     
  9. Dude111

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    Yes a friend of mine told me about this...THE GUY DISSAPEARED.....

    Its very sad all the corruption and disception going on!!
     
  10. alana2

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    This is very simple really, they were talking about this 40 years ago, you build a small lightweight car, a couple of deep cycle batteries powering an inefficient electric motor and then add a small diesel powered generator to recharge the batteries.

    1. Should cost a lot less than a conventional car.
    2. Will do short trips on just the batteries, 60% of trips are less that 20miles.
    3. For longer trips you will 100-200mpg.
    4. Very economical in heavy traffic, as everything is off until you move.
    5. Replacing batteries is simple and cheap, not true of bullshit Jap hybrids.

    One huge drawback..............






    The oil companies don't want them, so you won't get them.
     
  11. indydude

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    The designs should still be around. Patent office or relatives. Unless 'they' got them too. More then likely the inventors of extrordinary fuel saving devices get an offer they cant refuse and all traces of the device disappears.
     
  12. LostInTime

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    Something that cant be applied to all parts of life is not really a solution. Im still pretty surre that electricity isnt the right thing at the moment. To produce electricity you need to use alot of other resources. Okay, lets say, in 15 years time, 50 precent of the electricity would be produced by wind turbines, now, first of all, could you imagine how much of the bird population would die then ? Or if hydro energy, how the sea life would suffer? The solar panel is the only thing that would work, and it too starts to give more than it took in about 6-8 years time, and until we cant find actually a way to produce enough sustainable electricity to power the planet, let alone all of the vehicles, its not really an option. And it still doest not actually solve the issue how would we produce those electric cars, because the running of electric dump trucks to electric freight ships on electricity would be catastrophic. And at the moment, the production of the electric vehicle or hybrid damages the planet alot more than a normal, economycal car.

    And its also good that the fuel prices would be high in the future, people would use cars only if they really need to. Also, the electric vehicle , especially in warm climate is pretty useless, why not drive a bycicle instead?(in cold climates its even more useless, the range is 2 times shorter) The long distance trains and buses have become really comfortable, and you could take your bicycle with you.

    Instead of wasting money in the evs and hybrids, they should develop hydrogen fuel cells and networks. At the moment the real problem is that there arent any hydrogen networks and the fuel cells are really undeveloped prototypes. Fuel cells are the way of the future. What it does is basically converts hydrogen into electricity, in your car. So basically your car emits only water. Thats it. And, you ask , how should we produce hydrogen in the future ? This : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_IV_reactor

    It produces hydrogen and electricity at the same time.

    It practically produces no waste whatsoever, and it also runs on its own waste.

    And they are very energy efficent. A single one of them could feed my entire country with electricity and still leave enough for export, small country but still.

    At the moment, this is the only thing i can see working in the future, you may hope and dream that we would be 100 precent solar panel, wind and hydro, but thats not really possible and the enviromental effects arent as green as you think. The best option is to just stop using electricity, exept ofcourse for healthcare etc.
     
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    Electrical energy shits on the planet, we should use nuclear electricity generation techniques.

    Wait, what the fuck?
     
  14. RooRshack

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    For a lot less than a prius, you can build an electric truck.

    Chevy S10 or ford ranger types are favorites, because they're light and thus efficient, and you can modify the bed to contain your battery box and keep the weight pretty low.

    And then you still have a truck that can do truck things.
     
  15. LostInTime

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    Im not saying its perfect, but its actually an only option we have unless people really throw out all of their electronics, to supply half of the countrys electrical needs with for example wind power, would be catastrophic: the production of the damn things, the amount of land it needs and the amount of birds it kills.
     
  16. sunfighter

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    It's easy to knock wind power by taking it to an extreme and imagining that all you have is wind power. But that's a serious error. Whenever you talk about renewable energy, you should imagine a diverse network of various sources, including solar electric, hydro, tidal, geothermal, etc. That's the way it could work.

    Besides, wind turbines can be situated offshore and you have to compare the bird deaths to the human cancer deaths that are the result of coal and nuclear.
     
  17. LostInTime

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    I would rather see humans dying than byrds dying because of us, wich is higly unlikely because even better security measures would be implemented. And, the new generator would actually be 300 times more efficent , and run on its own waste. Instead of 20 generators, you could get by with like 2. And hydro energy destroys sea life, so in my opinion it and wind turbines arent really an option, Does not matter if you place the wind turbine off shore, birds still fly over there, unless you construct it in the middle of atlantic, in that case the maintainance and construction will consume a ton of fuel and resources.

    And also, the generator would produce hydrogen too, thus eliminating the need for fossil fuels, so , instead of getting tons of co2 and other crap you get from fossil fuels and production of coal energy, you get a small amount of 300 year radioactive waste, wich im sure could be stored in underground vaults.

    I havent looked into tidal and geothermal energy much, maybe they too can offer an reasonable and actualy possible alternative.
     
  18. ManyInterests

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    Um...electric power is also generally created by burning fossil fuels (a small percentage from solar/wind, somewhat more from nuclear). You're not really saving energy by using electric cars, it's just that if everyone used electric cars, there would be fewer points where pollution is being created, and so, theoretically, it could be better controlled. But if the government won't enforce controls and the energy companies won't add pollution controls, even that advantage goes away.

    Now, if we start working on it, in the future we might have a better world, where electricity comes more from clean, renewable sources than fossil fuels. Then, yes, that would mean that it would be better if more people drove electric cars. That's not how it is now, though.
     
  19. relaxxx

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    I'm so sick of people knocking EV's because they're charging off utility fossil power... in some places more than others. The technology and infrastructure needs to be supported, developed and in place ASAFP! The power companies know their coal and oil will be gone soon, their investing billions in alternatives. The switch is going to be a long process and many people will wake up too late, and left the dark.
     
  20. sunfighter

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    Well, I totally disagree with your values. I value human life way, way, way higher than animal life, even tho I am sort of a vegetarian and avoid using leather, etc. I think almost everyone would agree with me on this.
     

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