The electorial college needs to go

As a matter of fact, it began in 2008, before Obama was elected. And it was dramatic. On September 20, the Dow fell 777.68 points, the most in any single day in history. Global markets also panicked. On Monday, October 6, the Dow dropped 800 points, closing below 10,000 for the first time since 2004.:The Labor Department reported that the economy had lost 159,000 jobs in September and 240,000 jobs in October. The country was in recession. In fact, it was called the Great Recession. G.W. was still the Prez. No matter how you try to spin it, with quotation marks around "inherited", Obama did inherit the mess from G.W.

 

I feel like the financial industry is to blame for allowing people to trade on consolidated subprime (A subprime mortgage is a type of loan granted to individuals with poor credit scores (640 or less, and often below 600), who, as a result of their deficient credit histories, would not be able to qualify for conventional mortgages.) mortgages.

I don't fully understand it, but the gist is that:

Essentially, what happened was people defaulted on their mortgages. It was predictable and avoidable because they are subprime mortgages. But what are you going to do. You could make it harder for people to get loans, but that's a whole other problem; and a very sad one at that.

So I don't blame the president. But who is to blame? The SEC? I don't blooming know... lol

 

As opposed to the respect and compromise we saw with Clinton or Obama? No one has mentioned Hillary in years. It's not like people are still upset she won something right? I think it was Lindsey Gram who said in 2008 that the plan was obstruction him at every turn. Not to honor any sort of idea of democratic compromise just to not do anything and then in 2012 say Obama did nothing. No one was getting over anything. "Their" country was lost and they will take it back.

I'd hope any vet such as yourself would understand this concept.

Or what about a legal process of impeachment? Pretty "sore" to threaten to kill people over it don't you think?

pot, kettle, black.

The level of derangement over Obama was tremendous. And can you name a single scandal he has like Trump? As I recall he wore a tan suite, put his feet on the oval office desk, and did not salute a Marine once (although he did go back and apologize)


So you are saying those things matter more than anything Trump has done?

 

really? i see evil hillary memes all the time. i just saw one earlier today.

 

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She lost get over it. These people have Hillary derangement syndrome.


Maybe my sarcasm was lost in my post. They still talk about her so they don't mention Trump in these hard times. In war there are less rules so I have noticed the alt-right works really hard to sell the idea of a war.

 

Almost none of the bankers who collapsed the entire world economy practicing widespread fraud went to jail. For years afterwards, they were caught committing fraud, given a slap on the wrist fine and, repeatedly, forced to sign a piece of paper promising to never do it again. Our glorious leader has been accused of sexually assaulting countless women, of fraud and countless other crimes, yet has never known the inside of a jail cell. Its a little hard to blame the banking industry or any other industry for doing what the public insists they should do. If its a choice between watching their stocks go down in value, or watching some poor slob get suckered into losing his life savings, its not a contest.

Donald Duck was elected president, because the assholes have been playing each other for suckers all along. Thankfully, they are beginning to eat each other alive for a change, with conservatives dropping like flies from alcoholism, workaholism, and sheer stupidity. Watching Fox News criticize their own president and half the country failing to agree on whether he should be impeached gives me hope. The workaholic white population would be hard pressed to implode any faster, and seems intent on starting a civil war to settle the issue. Stand up for your rights! To encourage the bastards to kill each other!

It will be a cold day in hell when Fox News is on my side of any issue. Peace is only an option for people who share their words and play nice.

 

Is there a suggestion here that workaholics (not an actual thing actually) are only white? Plenty of non-white people are working themselves to death in the same ways (long hours, stifling commutes, regular injections of stress from "superiors", having "superiors", home issues from not being home enough, linear blood pressure progression, digestive issues and not enough sex).

It would be nice if we could all slow down. I was forced to by a black hole that swallowed the industrial and aircraft work I relied on for over a decade. While I got an easier job that easily pays less than I had been making, I also took on a dreadful Atlanta commute. But otherwise, it's a cool way to slip into retirement over the next decade. As if I could make such a plan. I'm only 1 refusal to take a piss test from being perp walked out by security. I NEVER submit piss I know will fail, better to say no.

I could probably hang on by throwing myself at the mercy of the Employee Intervention desk in HR. 20 years ago I'd have been laughed out of the office for claiming to be "addicted" to marijuana. These days it can actually save your job (IF, you can stay away from it). I've dropped it for years at a time, so I'd probably do that and keep padding my 401K. Or wait a month and start looking for something else.

But, "encourage the bastards to kill each other" is very bad form. And are you talking of only the white people? Is it your thinking that eliminating white people would be good for humanity? I'm seriously confused by this.

 

And most of it was squelched by pulling the race card.
Obama gets a weird dog = Racism
Disagree with Obama = Racism
Demand transparency = Racism
Ask about his college days = Racism
Ask about his parents......................Ok, that could easily lead to racism.

The array of assorted straws that democrats have aligned against Trump have no precedent. Its actually rather amusing, especially when it turns out to be a case of projection or yet another hoax (usually racial).

From the republican side is another layer of comedy. Every week there's another "bombshell" that will surely lead to XXXXXX Democrat "going to prison" or some such punishment. And every Saturday it has fizzled into a fart in the wind. Even stuff from Assange and O'Keefe fails to make any impac. Even if it's true.

For the record, Obama did get a weird dog. And it was black. (HORRORS!!!!)

Trump is clearly like Nixon with pets, but his daughter got a dog that was white as the Alps with piercing blue eyes and a Swastika arm band!

 

This statement is one high ranking military and economists would disagree with. He has done numerous things to endanger America and disrupt the economy.

You are still talking what aboutism. They did it worse. My example is just one of hypocrisy. Yours is one of deflection.

I'm sorry the people who want gun laws are not the ones committing treason but that's how it is.

 

Only if you think I'm picking sides. I prefer to play both sides against the middle. It's the middle that really gums up the works, not the outliers.

 

Ok....well I can't recall much you said positive of anything Democratic.

And so called "both sides" people are still very right wing. They like to always be on the loosing side, the side they feel is picked on. For them it's true edgy democracy. Everyone lies so I don't like the politicians who lie who are not in power.When I am against them I am against the man. Everything sucks, it's very punk rock.

Democrats-I don't like nazis we had a war over this
Republicans- we do they are not a big deal anyway

moderates-see this is why no one likes the left they have no tolerance. I'm for free speech.


If you stand for nothing you fall for anything.

 

Very true. I feel like the financial sector should have known better than to bet on poor people being able to pay their mortgages. Mortgage backed securities aren't cool because what if someone isn't paying theirs? I mean, usually people do, but when they don't the value of your stock (stock in mortgage backed securities) becomes negative or something like that. So, the question becomes shouldn't someone have realized that this was a bad idea? I mean, let's think about it... what's going to happen when someone doesn't pay their mortgage? The stock is going to go down. The industry who is pooling (A mortgage pool is a group of mortgages held in trust as collateral for the issuance of a mortgage-backed security. Some mortgage-backed securities issued by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and Ginnie Mae are known as "pools" themselves. These are the simplest form of mortgage-backed security.Aug 8, 2019) mortgages could argue that "well, not everyone is going to skip out on their mortgage though; that's why they're packaged together like that", except isn't that exactly what happened? The fallout was inconceivable. And mortgage-backed securities are still available.

Mortgage-backed Securities

 

I would have to accept it if people I don't like were elected without an electoral college. If you think I'm the crazy one and most people agree with you what is the harm? Simple: they know that without this that gun laws, socialist health care, and carbon taxes would all happen.

The system exits at this point to keep the people divided. Any real social progress is slow and always being reversed every 4 years. Without it politics has to move beyond extreme issues. There is only a middle of the road. Like many other aspects of American law we have to consider it's no longer 1820. The original intent was always for laws to be debated and changed as needed. The founders of the country did not want a king and laws that were there just because they were there before. Even in their time there was silly medieval laws for example.

If you are for a democratic system you can not be for an electoral college in the modern world. You have to admit that you are for a fascist style goverment where a small minority can prove itself strong and wise enough to control people who are not on their level. Kind of like the alt-right expression that liberalism is a mental disorder. It's also a book so that shows how much this phrase is part of their life.

10 Reasons Why We Should Abolish the Electoral College

 

Well, they have been spouting a LOT of stupid shit, doubling down on stupid shit and attacking people within the party, over stupid shit.

As for the republicans, where have you seen me praise them? What I find interesting about Trump is that he's acting a lot like the hired Pitt Bull that was GW Bush. However, he has managed to keep Americans out of the thick of it (though not entirely free from it). By virtue of strategy he is proof that if you look down your nose at the working class, they'll notice it. Trump, like a used car salesman with a lot full of 10-year old cars offering easy financing, paints a variety of pictures that they relate to easily.

After all, he paid for this. Which also proves a lot about the American political system. But the REAL republicans don't care for having Trump at the helm. Why should they? He's a phony. But, he played the game better than they ever considered. Before Trump, really before GW, republicans were focused on being "polite". Even about war. It's insanity.

 

To me excusing all of Trump's scandals and perpetuating the idea that it's only a vocal minority who hates him not the real America are pro Republican views. You have expressed that on here. It's also a Republican view that being rude and stupid is some ground breaking idea that rocks the politcal world. We have to respect his crafty nature.

See your quote

 

It might be a semantic point, but why do you say workaholics aren't a real thing, and then say people are destroying their personal lives and health from working too much?

I kinda inferred "workaholic" as a person who was destroying their relationships and health by working too much.

 

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You're into dividing lines. I'm into watching what people actually do as opposed to what they say or what people say about them. It's not a political thing. I find most bullshitters are pretty easy to suss. Johnson was, Nixon was, Carter was, Reagan was, Bush 1 was, Clinton was, Bush 2 was, Obama was and of course Trump is. I don't care what color a thief is or what party an asshole belongs to. Why should I?

As for rude and stupid, my vote is for democrats by a city mile. Watching Beto finally peter out means that the rest of the democrats don't have to own his foolishly over the top gun grabbing rhetoric anymore. Also, it's rude to harass people over their politics or anything else. There is no "right" to impinge on other people's rights just because they support a particular candidate.

Somebody should have told Maxine.

Republicans play a passive game and routinely take it on the chin in a big way. It's weird to see MIA Romney spouting off from out of nowhere. As if anyone gives a flying cap what that coward has to say. The rest of their methods are as back room as what the democrats are doing with this impeachment nonsense. I'm telling you, Trump has lured them into this. But so far nobody around him has died in their garage.

 

What I'm describing is how most people actually work. While I certainly understand the obsessive sort of people who occupy the "workaholic" moniker, most of the ones I have known had something else driving them. Work was just the tool for that goal. I worked in sales when I was in college. A couple of coworkers were coke heads. They were also award-winning sales agents.

And I'm sure there are plenty of driven, ambitious people who bust ass and become successful without crushing any souls on the way up. But too many of the successful people I have known were very aggressive and would stab anyone in the back to make an incremental move upward. We accept this as normal because humans love to defeat people, even vicariously or by proxy.

Corporations are non-person entities. Any human with those traits would likely be a psychopath (like a collection of CEOs in the news over the last 2 decades).

 

Nah, white people are not the only workaholics on the planet, just among the more numerous today who even turned workaholism into religions such as Calvinism. The trend seems to be that the more money that workaholic cultures make, the shorter their lifespans and the less often they reproduce, because they don't have more time for more children and prefer to save their money for retirement. In third world countries, you have more extended families running farms collectively and providing support in your old age, but modern suburbs have turned out to be coffins for workaholics. While this might sound like an entirely new trend, its older than dirt, with the wealthy population always having exploited the upper middle class, making them work their asses off for them, and throwing more money at them to compensate for the complete lack of a sustainable culture. Call it institutionalized bribery if you want, along the lines of Reagan's trickle down effect, but almost nothing reaches the bottom half.

Encouraging the bastards to kill each other is easy, using their own simple divide and conquer strategy. They only want to hear whatever supports their lifestyle and the status quo, and its possible to make them gag on their own crap and attack each other like the mindless fucking chickens they resemble. The US is the wealthiest country in the world, is threatened with civil war, because chickens just go for the food and have no real morality or ethics to speak of, while sharing their words and playing nice are nonsense to a chicken.