The Draft

i know many people around where i live who play d&d, warhammer, pokemon, yugioh etc who are into their 30s and 40s. the fact is anyone can say whatever they want here, its a internet forum. but in the last few threads ive read people have been constantly telling him to enlist, and he has a decent response (even though it could be fake) yet people keep going on about it. we cant disprove what hes saying, so to reject it as bullshit is just like rejecting everything written on this forum. i dont agree with everything he says or believes in but im pissed off with the way a lot of people act here. and suck your dick? you see how immature you are?

 

arr thanks, im guessing it is related back to Freud then, he did come up with the idea of the subconscious i believe..

 

I don't even claim to be mature...and I don't care at all about that. I feel that i am pretty good at spotting a fake post...it seems pretty obvious really.

You must know a lot of dorks.Anyway, the guys a fucking asshole who supports young people being sent to firegn countries to kill and die, so fuck him whoever he is.

 

Most definetly Freud. I believe that he thought that people will blurt out what they are trying to hide by mistake.

 

Bush has a thinking mind? ::chuckles::

 

The draft will be coming back.

 

The draft is not coming back, nobody is even asking for it. This is truly scare tactics.

Just in case though I think I'll join the Texas Air National Guard. Or maybe I'll try to get posted to a SWIFT boat - from what I hear from the republicans, those things are pretty safe.

 

the top age limit for the draft has now gone up to 35 for people in technical careers. just so ya know.

 

You people know it was a couple of librals that were trying to get the draft reinstated right?

 

okay here is the thing...there is always the possibility that the draft will come back. as a matter of fact i was watching the news and they said that the numbers of people volunteering for the military has dropped significantly since more and more deaths have occured in iraq. sound familiar? in nam people stopped joining because there was no point.

 

The draft.... i may, and it might now come back. My best friend from my freshman year of college just got back from Iraq, and he and I spent a good few days talking about the political situation there and what all is going on here. Ted was sent on a tour with a gun that he had previously seen jam after firing three shots. Our own enlisted men can't even ask for another gun if one malfunctions. He was told he'd more than likely be the bottom of the list of National Guard members called in, but since he signed up pre-9/11 and had MP training, they sent him in two years ago in February. Ted just got back a few weeks ago, and then he toured Europe and Amsterdam and he didn't even smoke one joint. I trust this guy more than anyone.

Go look at www.optruth.org and read what they say about the war in Iraq and the draft. It's believed that although nothing has been done, and technically it seems unlikely, it is possible that the draft will be reinstated if people don't go out and sign up. Does that mean I'm going to sign up? HELL NO!!!

Ted told me he wished he never had, and even though I don't always mold my views based on what he says, I can agree with him on that. I wish he never had either and I wish everyone who's running to the Army now would stop and think about what's going on. I refuse to volunteer to go overseas and kill people who are simply fighting to live the way they want. It would be like helping out a gang over here in hopes that all the different street gangs can get along and work together. There's more to it than we can see right now, and perhaps ever. Each side has their biases and each side holds their own account of civilized ethics. Who the hell said we're right in all of this? Not God, not Buddah, not Krishna, not anyone... We are simply the people who have some power and are using it to uphold our own values in a foriegn land.

I'll agree with many of you though, it did seem fucked up before, but let's look at the situation before that, and before that. It's always been fucked up. There really isn't a way to balance that out by going over there and waving guns in their faces and saying we know the right way and that they should live by it. They know what happens when America gets involved in foreign third world affairs. They KNOW that the next step is exploiting them and peripheralization so that they can feed our Core/Consumer economy.They know we'll continue to live like kings, and they'll live like the mice in our walls living off of the crumbs that the damn dogs didn't pick up when we dropped them off our tables.

If you lived in that situation, would you want this "Democracy" to be spread in your homeland. Hell no! You would fight and kill and decapitate and do things you never thought you could do. You would want to send a message to the invading bastards, and you would want to make it a strong one. Look at the damn symbolism they've been sending us through our own damn media!!! Would you cut off someone's head? I really doubt it. Someone who wasn't even allowed to shoot back at you, someone who was just walking by and all of a sudden was kidnapped? I doubt it. What's to say they're different? Yeah, the guy was kidnapped, but they have a message to send us that they can't send us any other way. The ONLY way we seem to pay any fucking attention is when they kill someone, and so the do... and they will until we leave.

The TRUTH is that we don't know a damn thing about the fucking "war" on terror. We don't know a thing about the people who are struggling to get by over there, and all that we see is another country that we can exploit without feeling too bad about it because they killed our boys. Sure, there are a few people working in the system who are honestly sympathetic to the people and give them minor advantages here and there, but who the hell do they work for? An honest politician that wants to make sure that the people of Iraq are taken care of an given equal rights on all levels? Tell me that and I'll kindly show you to the Mental health center a few miles from here.

So yeah, the draft could very well come back and not long from now. It could, but then again, it could not. Nobody knows a damn thing for sure other than the people who are there working for peace among the Iraquis and I'm not talking about the soldiers. That's a scare tactic, and it doesn't work. So is decapitating someone. Both sides are guilty, and the blood is on all of our hands. I support most of the troops, but I won't give them money or send them packages. I think they should fight the system and take their guns and turn them back on their own bosses. They should protect Iraq from us and our vampire system. They fight for the money and for a false ideal, and they are too blind to see the difference in freedom and control. They are the true Republican army that Plato described. Albeit, there are the few that rebel and don't feed into the system, but they are the unpatriotic soldiers and they are the hippies and people who we should ridicule and hate... according to our current leaders.

Patriotism is standing up for what you believe in, and if you believe in Bush, false ideals of democracy, equality, and freedom, then by all means... keep fighting for the government as it is. One the other hand, if you believe in equality, truth, justice, a government by the people and for the people, then try to understand that we need to simply put everyone on a level playing field and send the more powerful weapons we have over their. Sociologists, speakers, educators, and so on. They are the ones who change the minds of the people. Not the damn guns and destruction!

 

Nice writing lostblackdog, I agree with your common sense take on the situation....common sense is a little hard to find in this country in its present condition.

I hope there is not a draft, but it may serve as a wake up call when these "safety moms" have to send their kids off to fight for an elusive cause...of course i don't wish this on any young person and I hope minds can change without that occuring.

 

It's official, I'm staying in art.
I wanted to do psychology but the government needs shrinks too much. The last thing I want is a job telling the govie exactly how to pull the wool over peoples eyes...they're doing a good enough of a job without my help.

 

I am amazed at how infantile some views expressed here are.

It's not really complicated. It IS really black and white. We are fighting animals blinded by hatred to the degree where reason is not in their vocabulary.

You CANNOT reason with Islamic radicals, tattoo it on your damn foreheads so you can see it every time you look in the mirror, maybe it'll get through your thick skull.

I mean, you can swallow the fact that contractors got kidnapped and killed, it's a terrible but legitimate infrastructure subversion tactic. But how about that humanitarian worker? She held Iraq citizenship for fuck's sake!!! She was NOT building infrastructure, she was NOT shooting people, and still she got kidnapped and probably will get her head chopped off. And for WHAT? Trying to save a few people's lives?

Reason with THAT, why don't you.

 

If you were to try and resist the most powerful army in the world against an illegal invasion of your country how would you do it? Just curious...

 

POPthree13, please tell me that you are NOT trying to advocate kidnapping an innocent unarmed, female civillian humanitarian worker on behalf of the militants, because even you cannot be that fucking stupid.

 

That argument is tired. No one is advocating the beheading of civilians.

 

Sounds like advocating to me. What would I do if I was in the role of a guerilla fighter? Let's see:

* Destroy infrastructure
* Intercept supply convoys
* Harass troops so as to deprive them of any measure of rest and safety
* Assassinate officers
* Plant disinformation

...

Would I resort to kidnapping and killing civillians? Not if my life depended on it...

 

I don't advocate war. This is war. If anyone needs to wake up, it is you.

The US can kill 14,000 to 16,000 civilians in Iraq and I am supposed to feel sorry for a dozen that they kill to get us out? I don't advocate violence at all, but it's hard for me to buy the 'lets all feel sorry for these civilians' bullshit. Why the fuck are we there killing civilians? I think I know why they are trying to defend themselves...

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

 

Pardon me. You ARE that fucking stupid, as you cannot tell the difference between collateral damage and hostage-taking.

I'm sorry I started the argument and overtaxed your already limited mental facilities.