The Draft ~ Link to the Actual Bill in here

Discussion in 'America Attacks!' started by MamaTheLama, May 21, 2004.

  1. MamaTheLama

    MamaTheLama Too much coffee

  2. razm

    razm Member

    That would be absolute political suicide, I don't think there is anything to worry about.
     
  3. FireQuint

    FireQuint Member

    Oh no you don't
     
  4. and how old are you? im almost 24, hopefully ill be too old too. (hopefully)
     
  5. MamaTheLama

    MamaTheLama Too much coffee

    clip from site:
    Universal National Service Act of 2003 (Introduced in Senate)S 89 IS 108th CONGRESS 1st Session S. 89
    To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.
    IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
    January 7, 2003 Mr. HOLLINGS introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Armed Services A BILL To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
    SEC. 2. NATIONAL SERVICE OBLIGATION.
    (a) OBLIGATION FOR YOUNG PERSONS- It is the obligation of every citizen of the United States, and every othe2r person residing in the United States, who is between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a period of national service as prescribed in this Act unless exempted under the provisions of this Act (b) FORM OF NATIONAL SERVICE- National service under this Act shall be performed either-- (1) as a member of an active or reserve component of the uniformed services; or (2) in a civilian capacity that, as determined by the President, promotes the national defense, including national or community service and homeland security. (c) INDUCTION REQUIREMENTS- The President shall provide for the induction of persons covered by subsection (a) to perform national service under this Act. (d) SELECTION FOR MILITARY SERVICE- Based upon the needs of the uniformed services, the President shall-- (1) determine the number of persons covered by subsection (a) whose service is to be performed as a member of an active or reserve component of the uniformed services; and (2) select the individuals among those persons who are to be inducted for military service under this Act.
    (e) CIVILIAN SERVICE- Persons covered by subsection (a) who are not selected for military service under subsection (d) shall perform their national service obligation under this Act in a civilian capacity pursuant to subsection (b)(2).
    SEC. 3. TWO-YEAR PERIOD OF NATIONAL SERVICE.
    (a) GENERAL RULE- Except as otherwise provided in this section, the period of national service performed by a person under this Act shall be two years. (b) GROUNDS FOR EXTENSION- At the discretion of the President, the period of military service for a member of the uniformed services under this Act may be extended-- (1) with the consent of the member, for the purpose of furnishing hospitalization, medical, or surgical care for injury or illness incurred in line of duty; or (2) for the purpose of requiring the member to compensate for any time lost to training for any cause.
    (c) EARLY TERMINATION- The period of national service for a person under this Act shall be terminated before the end of such period under the following circumstances: (1) The voluntary enlistment and active service of the person in an active or reserve component of the uniformed services for a period of at least two years, in which case the period of basic military training and education actually served by the person shall be counted toward the term of enlistment.(2) The admission and service of the person as a cadet or midshipman at the United States Military Academy, the United States Naval Academy, the United States Air Force Academy, the Coast Guard Academy, or the United States Merchant Marine Academy. (3) The enrollment and service of the person in an officer candidate program, if the person has signed an agreement to accept a Reserve commission in the appropriate service with an obligation to serve on active duty if such a commission is offered upon completion of the program. (4) Such other grounds as the President may establish.
    SEC. 4. IMPLEMENTATION BY THE PRESIDENT.
    (a) IN GENERAL- The President shall prescribe such regulations as are necessary to carry out this Act. (b) MATTER TO BE COVERED BY REGULATIONS- Such regulations shall include specification of the following: (1) The types of civilian service that may be performed for a person's national service obligation under this Act. (2) Standards for satisfactory performance of civilian service and of penalties for failure to perform civilian service satisfactorily. (3) The manner in which persons shall be selected for induction under this Act, including the manner in which those selected will be notified of such selection.(4) All other administrative matters in connection with the induction of persons under this Act and the registration, examination, and classification of such persons. (5) A means to determine questions or claims with respect to inclusion for, or exemption or deferment from induction under this Act, including questions of conscientious objection. (6) Standards for compensation and benefits for persons performing their national service obligation under this Act through civilian service.
    (7) Such other matters as the President determines necessary to carry out this Act. (c) USE OF PRIOR ACT- To the extent determined appropriate by the President, the President may use for purposes of this Act the procedures provided in the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 451 et seq.), including procedures for registration, selection, and induction.
    SEC. 5. INDUCTION.
    (a) IN GENERAL- Every person subject to induction for national service under this Act, except those whose training is deferred or postponed in accordance with this Act, shall be called and inducted by the President for such service at the time and place specified by the President. (b) AGE LIMITS- A person may be inducted under this Act only if the person has attained the age of 18 and has not attained the age of 26. (c) VOLUNTARY INDUCTION- A person subject to induction under this Act may volunteer for induction at a time other than the time at which the person is otherwise called for induction. (d) EXAMINATION; CLASSIFICATION- Every person subject to induction under this Act shall, before induction, be physically and mentally examined and shall be classified as to fitness to perform national service. The President may apply different classification standards for fitness for military service and fitness for civilian service.
    SEC. 6. DEFERMENTS AND POSTPONEMENTS.
    (a) HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS- A person who is pursuing a standard course of study, on a full-time basis, in a secondary school or similar institution of learning shall be entitled to have induction under this Act postponed until the person-- (1) obtains a high school diploma;
    (2) ceases to pursue satisfactorily such course of study; or
    (3) attains the age of 20. (b) HARDSHIP AND DISABILITY- Deferments from national service under this Act may be made for--
    (1) extreme hardship; or (2) physical or mental disability.
    (c) TRAINING CAPACITY- The President may postpone or suspend the induction of persons for military service under this Act as necessary to limit the number of persons receiving basic military training and education to the maximum number that can be adequately trained. (d) TERMINATION- No deferment or postponement of induction under this Act shall continue after the cause of such deferment or postponement ceases.
     
  6. MamaTheLama

    MamaTheLama Too much coffee

    second half:

    SEC. 7. INDUCTION EXEMPTIONS.
    (a) QUALIFICATIONS- No person may be inducted for military service under this Act unless the person is acceptable to the Secretary concerned for training and meets the same health and physical qualifications applicable under section 505 of title 10, United States Code, to persons seeking original enlistment in a regular component of the Armed Forces.
    (b) OTHER MILITARY SERVICE- No person shall be liable for induction under this Act who-- (1) is serving, or has served honorably for at least six months, in any component of the uniformed services on active duty; or (2) is or becomes a cadet or midshipman at the United States Military Academy, the United States Naval Academy, the United States Air Force Academy, the Coast Guard Academy, the United States Merchant Marine Academy, a midshipman of a Navy accredited State maritime academy, a member of the Senior Reserve Officers' Training Corps, or the naval aviation college program, so long as that person satisfactorily continues in and completes two years training therein.
    SEC. 8. CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTION.
    (a) CLAIMS AS CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR- Any person selected under this Act for induction into the uniformed services who claims, because of religious training and belief (as defined in section 6(j) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. 456(j))), exemption from combatant training included as part of that military service and whose claim is sustained under such procedures as the President may prescribe, shall, when inducted, participate in military service that does not include any combatant training component. (b) TRANSFER TO CIVILIAN SERVICE- Any such person whose claim is sustained may, at the discretion of the President, be transferred to a national service program for performance of such person's national service obligation under this Act.
    SEC. 9. DISCHARGE FOLLOWING NATIONAL SERVICE.
    (a) DISCHARGE- Upon completion or termination of the obligation to perform national service under this Act, a person shall be discharged from the uniformed services or from civilian service, as the case may be, and shall not be subject to any further service under this Act. (b) COORDINATION WITH OTHER AUTHORITIES- Nothing in this section shall limit or prohibit the call to active service in the uniformed services of any person who is a member of a regular or reserve component of the uniformed services.
    SEC. 10. REGISTRATION OF FEMALES UNDER THE MILITARY SELECTIVE SERVICE ACT.
    (a) REGISTRATION REQUIRED- Section 3(a) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. 453(a)) is amended--
    (1) by striking `male' both places it appears; (2) by inserting `or herself' after `himself'; and (3) by striking `he' and inserting `the person'. (b) CONFORMING AMENDMENT- Section 16(a) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 466(a)) is amended by striking `men' and inserting `persons'.
    SEC. 11. RELATION OF ACT TO REGISTRATION AND INDUCTION AUTHORITY OF MILITARY SELECTIVE SERVICE ACT.
    (a) REGISTRATION- Section 4 of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 454) is amended by inserting after subsection (g) the following new subsection: `(h) This section does not apply with respect to the induction of persons into the Armed Forces pursuant to the Universal National Service Act of 2003.'. (b) INDUCTION- Section 17(c) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 467(c)) is amended by striking `now or hereafter' and all that follows through the period at the end and inserting `inducted pursuant to the Universal National Service Act of 2003.'.
    SEC. 12. DEFINITIONS.
    In this Act: (1) The term `military service' means service performed as a member of an active or reserve component of the uniformed services. (2) The term `Secretary concerned' means the Secretary of Defense with respect to the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps, the Secretary of Homeland Security with respect to the Coast Guard, the Secretary of Commerce, with respect to matters concerning the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and the Secretary of Health and Human Services, with respect to matters concerning the Public Health Service. (3) The term `United States', when used in a geographical sense, means the several States, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and Guam.
    (4) The term `uniformed services' means the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, commissioned corps of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and commissioned corps of the Public Health Service.
     
  7. kilted2000

    kilted2000 Member

    If we really live in a free country, then military service would be completely voluntary. The Draft should only be allowed if THE PEOPLE who will be doing the dieing vote on it. Then there will be a better chance of only fighting "justifiable wars" if any exist.
     
  8. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

    Yeah, what happened to the ALL VOLUNTEER ARMY?

    The right wingers here have been saying for years that there's no need for a draft since SO MANY Americans are proud to serve their country!

    Indeed I think all these conservatives SHOULD just enlist so they can defend us from terrorists & crazy Iraqis & the French & Germans & all those who aren't on our side.

    Put you life where your big fat mouths are...
     
  9. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

    I think that the fact that we may need a draft is a damn good sign that American's don't want to be involved in this war.
     
  10. nimh

    nimh ~foodie~

    see, that's not the way it works though.

    there's going to be another event like 911, but bigger. in order to instate the draft, the govt. needs to have the support of the people behind them.

    the formula is... Problem, Reaction, Solution

    in this case, the problem will be another 'terrorist' attack (dirty bomb, biochemical outbreak, etc...). the reaction will be the media outcry and the rallying of america. then the solution will be the draft and most if not all americans will not only accept it, but they will *demand* it.
     
  11. dotadave

    dotadave Member

  12. LickHERish

    LickHERish Senior Member

    All the guns in the world wont protect you from a state aparatus as extensive as our own with the combined armed services and MIC infrastructure and arsenals at the Fed's disposal.

    If we slide further into fascist authoritarianism, any homestead resistance would be quickly isolated, denied the ability to organise itself and systematically eradicated as "terrorists" or "traitors".

    Best the nation wakes up and puts an end to career politicians and corporate influence of the political process before it can get to that point, otherwise youll be counting on an othersie indoctrinated armed services to obtain a moral conscience about killing fellow citizens (something it has shown itself perfectly capable of doing without remorse in the not too distant past with the country at war).
     
  13. HappyHaHaGirl

    HappyHaHaGirl *HipForums Princess*

    That sucks...I"m okay, though, because I have flat feet. :D See ya in Hell!

    I kind of doubt that will happen, though...everybody already wants to move to Canada, anyway. It would decrease our population by like 80%....then what would we have to fight for??? :)
     
  14. dotadave

    dotadave Member

    No, I wouldn't stand a chance. You are right about that. However should I get a draft notice, at the very least I could go down fighting by the time the military slavers came for me. I will never fight for imperialism.
     
  15. nimh

    nimh ~foodie~

    Canada and mexico have recently signed agreements with the usa that we will not allow people of draft age into our countries when that bill is passed. you wont be able to come to canada, well, not legally anyways. ;) If there's a big event in the states, Canada will end up being involved as well. MOst of canada's population lives within 100 miles (or something like that) of the US border. Remember what happened with the big power outage last summer? the entire eastern seaboard went down, including huge portions of Canada. We're interlinked.

    LickHERish was dead on with what she said. We've got to do something about this NOW, before they get this ball rolling.

    MidnightMoonlight, where did you move to? Cause i dont think there's really anywhere on the planet that's going to be a really safe place to be. (if there is, let me know!! LOL)
     
  16. FireQuint

    FireQuint Member

    Sorry ta say, but this is false and will never happen. Admit it, we're gonna bend over and take it straight up the poop shooter. I know not having a postitive attitude isn't helping anything, but in this case, let's be realistic.
     

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