The Donald Trump Score Card

Discussion in 'Politicians' started by MeAgain, Nov 15, 2016.

  1. Moonglow181

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    and this piece of shit President elect keeps growing into a bigger, bigger piece of shit every day. What a depressing world.
     
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  2. storch

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    Supposed irresponsible handling of classified information?? I would ask why you continue to deny the facts concerning that issue, but I'm pretty sure that even you don't know.

    Try to remember this:

    Government investigators said Friday that they had discovered classified information on the private email account that Hillary Rodham Clinton used while secretary of state, stating unequivocally that those secrets never should have been stored outside of secure government computer systems. Mrs. Clinton has said for months that she kept no classified information on the private server that she set up in her house so she would not have to carry both a personal phone and a work phone. Her campaign said Friday that any government secrets found on the server had been classified after the fact.

    But the inspectors general of the State Department and the nation's intelligence agencies said the information they found was classified when it was sent and remains so now. Information is considered classified if its disclosure would likely harm national security, and such information can be sent or stored only on computer networks with special safeguards.
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    So, perhaps your complaints against Petraeus are not as well-founded as you believe.
     
  3. Okiefreak

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    So he gets up in the morning and tweets that he thinks flag burning should be made a crime punishable by loss of citizenship and prison time. This is disturbing on multiple levels. Most obviously, what he's talking about is unconstitutional. That was decided by the Supreme Court in Texas v. Johnson in 1989, with the late sainted ultra-conservative Justice Scalia voting with the majority. A subsequent effort of the Republican Congress to overturn the decision by ordinary legislation was likewise declared unconstitutional, and an effort to introduce a constitutional amendment was blocked by none other than Senator Mitch McConnell. This is the First Amendment and symbolic speech we're talking about. Moreover, the punishment of loss of citizenship seems a bit drastic. Second, there's the matter of priorities. Why has this become a pressing issue? Did he mention it once during the campaign? Is flag burning one of the more serious problems facing the nation today? Third, there's the question of impulse control and absence of a filter. He wakes up, an idea pops into his head, and he tweets something outrageous. What does this say about his temperment? Finally, there's the problem of motivation. Why did he do it? It seems to be in his nature to want to stir things up and constantly bask in media attention, good or bad. ("Rather be wanted for murder than not wanted at all"). Also, perhaps showing a politician's tendency to drape himself in the flag. Here in Oklahoma, when all else fails, proposing to stick the Ten Commandments on public property somewhere , constitutional or not, is always good for some votes. Anyhow, pretty disturbing.Face it. You've elected a demagogue, F- for him on this one.
     
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  4. MeAgain

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    54. Another millionaire, Seema Verma, has been named as the head of the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services. Seema worked for Hewlett Packard at the same time she was an adviser to the state of Indiana's health care plan. In return for $1 million dollars to Verma, HP received $500 million in state healthcare contracts. (Conflict of Interest alert!) She crafted Pence's health care plan which calls for more money going to HP. He is against the Children's Health Care Program (CHIP), against the regulation of tobacco, against Medicare expansion, against mental health plans, against negotiated drug prices for Medicare Part D, against importation of drugs to lower cost, for allowing hospitals to deny treatment to the uninsured, for limiting medical malpractice to $250,000, and for eliminating the ACA.
     
  5. MeAgain

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    Exactly.
     
  6. MeAgain

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    So funny.

    A person convicted of giving away national security secrets to his mistress so she can write a book about them and you compare that to Hillary. What a joke.

    The only reason Petraeus isn't in prison is because he got caught before the book was published, otherwise the information would have gone public and they would have burned his ass.
     
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  7. storch

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    Yeah, all Clinton did was pass classified information over her unprotected personal server. The FBI assessed that hostile actors gained access to that. And unlike Petraeus, the classified information found in Clinton's email server was not retained before she got caught.

    It is unfortunate that you consider her gross negligence concerning her mishandling of classified information while serving as Secretary of State a "joke." What a display of . . . bias.

    But the inspectors general of the State Department and the nation's intelligence agencies said the information they found was classified when it was sent and remains so now. Information is considered classified if its disclosure would likely harm national security, and such information can be sent or stored only on computer networks with special safeguards.
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    ​You have no idea what that means, do you?
     
  8. storch

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    I know, right? When Clinton co-sponsored a bill to criminalize flag burning, she figured that a $100,000 fine and a year in jail was good enough.
     
  9. pensfan13

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    How does one lose citizenship of the country they were born in?
    Do you get deported to a random country or are you forced to just get on the plane with whoever is getting deported that day?
     
  10. Okiefreak

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    Good questions. No one knows, because so far it couldn't legally happen. InTrop v. Dulles (1958) the Supreme Court held that "citizenship is not subject to the general powers of the National Government, and therefore cannot be divested in the exercise of those powers"; also that it would violate the Eighth Amendment prohibition against "cruel and unusual punishment."
     
  11. MeAgain

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    In the U.S. you can voluntarily renounce your citizenship, or by INTENTION, state an allegiance to another country with intent to forfeit your U.S. citizenship, by serving in the armed forces of another country while they are engaged in hostilities with the U.S., by serving in a post that requires an allegiance to a foreign country, or by a conviction of treason or acts of attempted overthrowing of the government.

    Presumably Trump could declare, by executive action (but remember the right feels executive actions are illegal), that the act of burning an American flag is treasonous.....of course he could also pass an executive order declaring criticizing the President is treasonous.

    This would be entirely consistent with attempts to do away with the First Amendment by his blacklisting of reporters and his call to allow easier prosecutions of them under the libel laws. And it is a further attempt to divide the nation.
     
  12. MeAgain

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    55. Wilbur "The Vulture" Ross has been picked as head of the Commerce Department. Another billionaire, known as "the Vulture" and "King of bankruptcies" has been picked by Mr. Outsider. Through this guy's actions 12 miners died in 2006 at Sago, West Virginia, after first terminating their Union and pensions. He has a considerable amount of domestic and foreign businesses (conflict of interest alert again!).
     
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  14. Okiefreak

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    The bill in question, the Flag protection Act in 2005, would have applied to flag burning "with the primary purpose of intimidation or inciting immediate violence or for the act of terrorism." It was never considered by Congress, so we don't know what the Supreme Court would have done with it. This was Hillary in her "pander bear" mode. As I said more than once before the election, and will say again now, the choice between Trump and Hillary was that of a cool, calculating, predictable sociopath (Hillary) versus a volatile, impulsive unpredictalbe one (Trump). i prefer my sociopaths cool, calculating and predictable.
     
  15. storch

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    I believe the take-away lesson here for Hillary-lovers is that if you want to secure a win and put her in the White House, you need to have her run against Charles Manson. Obama should have pardoned him, and then the media could have went to work doing what they do best--make shit smell good--and that might just do it. It's quite possible that she wouldn't have smelled as bad when put beside Manson.

    Clinton has shown herself to be whatever she thinks she needs to be. But she has certainly shown herself to be a proven threat to national security. What a fucked up system . . .

    The truth is, it doesn't matter who is elected. They will do whatever they're told in order to protect the petrodollar.

    War.
     
  16. Yes, the more methodological your sociopath the better, I say!
     
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  17. MeAgain

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    No, the lesson is that there are many who fall for out right lies, fear mongering, inflated egos, immigrate bashing, white supremacy, disbelieve in science, mocking of the disabled, and calling for the Russians to hack into private emails and then using that information in a dishonest way.

    The problem is the "Hillary lovers" are honest, up standing citizens who came up against the filth and slime of Trump and his supporters and took the high road instead of meeting them on their own terms...in the gutter.
     
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  18. storch

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    No, not even close. Hillary-lovers are obsessed people who have allowed their childish hero worship to override their common sense to the extent that they believe that a proven national security risk is an honest choice when deciding who to vote for. They're all emotion.
     
  19. MeAgain

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    Whatever.
     
  20. pensfan13

    pensfan13 Senior Member

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    Remember all those posts you made about how trump stepped back from his word? Like imigration...the wall...Healthcare....? Tell me you honestly think this is any different. If you weren't so biased I might actually take some stuff you say into account.
     

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