The Donald Trump Score Card

Discussion in 'Politicians' started by MeAgain, Nov 15, 2016.

  1. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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  2. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    So Oral Roberts Christian BS University is good, and Hillsdale Republican Fundamentalist College is good, and Cornel University, and Stanford University are bad...got it.
     
  3. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    Oh Dear, Alex Jones would love to hear all that...
     
  4. magickman

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    #1. "First, no one is denying your right to post here." Right...haha, How many times have I been challenged to get out of this thread in the last year by your "group" because I am not knowledgeable enough about politics to post here?

    #2. "Now, you provide a list of questions titled, "Why do people want to lock her up?". I must say the list is pretty simple and aimed at those who already have a predisposition against Hillary Clinton." Again, same old thing. Read your reasoning, and then you tell me Why it's wrong of my suggesting it? An illegal act is an illegal act, Dem or Rep. Nobody should have a "stay out of harm's way" card. I challenge you to prove her innocence. Real proof.

    #3. "You voted for Trump because he has money! Is that how you vote?" It has become painfully obvious to the American people that it takes money to win an election in America. A certain prior Presidency taught us all that. In my opinion (and I am not alone), the man who can raise the most money should not make him the President. But we've all seen it, just how it is.

    #4. "You're shocked that money is needed to run an election campaign. Really? Are you that naive?" No, just that it's not a fair campaign when money buys power. An election should be won based on that candidate's abilities, plans and willingness to get the tasks done that are needed to preserve the freedom and integrity of our country.

    #5. "China and Saudi Arabia own 67% of the U.S.? Wrong. China owns 19% of the U.S. debt as of October 2017. As of 2016 Saudi Arabia owned 0.87%. Total: 19.87%."
    As I first explained, these facts came from a 2007 publication, from a man who has served a significant amount of time in our White House, and would know.

    #6. "I'm sorry, but I really have trouble reconciling that statement with your profession of Christianity. Same with your statement that Trump will allow Christians to be Christians. You seem to have no problem condemning Islam yet become upset if your own brand of religion is criticized." I need not have to explain this, we have our opinions, that is mine. I could care less what religion you believe, it's our right as Americans. OMG, what a concept! Our rights...lmao

    #7. "It seems to me, and this is my opinion, that many of the people you consider to be good Christians, like Donald Trump, are the very antithesis of what good Christians are......but he does have lots of money". First of all, I didn't say that Trump is a good Christian. I said he has allowed Christianity back into our lives. Trump's personal religions I don't consider my business, only that he has allowed Americans to have their own beliefs held dear again, instead of sneakily projecting Islam into a pre-dominately Christian nation. Or as you may prefer, a "choice to be an Athiest" nation.
    Again, I don't care about your religious convictions. Just sayin'.
     
  5. Moonglow181

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    I don't care where you post. This isn't my thread......I don't care where anyone posts..

    but I am not following you around to insult you.

    Fine, be it.
     
  6. Meliai

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    The Fox news kool aid is strong here

    Did you spend some time in jail for being a Christian under the Obama administration? Was your church raided? No? Then how did he take away your right to religion
     
  7. NotMyRealName

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    If that's the way you want to spin it be my guest.
     
  8. magickman

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    Ask any Christian Pastor...they will tell you.
     
  9. Meliai

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    And what will they tell me? Have they been jailed for their beliefs?
     
  10. magickman

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    I feel like that kid in the car at the beginning of "Super Troopers", where they were pulled over, the driver reaches down for his registration and the first cops leave.
    "Is this shit fucked up or what...this shit is fuckin craaazy"...then the cop stops and fries the tires, coming back in reverse to a car full of paranoid guys. Lmao.
     
  11. magickman

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    Mine said "we are riding through some very tough times to be Christians these days, our religion is no longer safe".
    In other words, we have a Muslim President who is trying to take it all away from us. Our freedom, our rights, our religion...
    Do you know what they do to Christians overseas, Meliai? They make them either accept Allah, or cut their heads off.
    That's not what America stands for, sorry to upset your feelings.
     
  12. Meliai

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    So you're not going to answer my question? How were you less able to be a Christian under Obama than Trump?

    I know lots of Christians and they all seemed well able to get up and go to church on Sundays and to read the Bible at home and worship how they pleased during the Obama administration. So I'm really interested to know how your experience was different. Why wont you answer?
     
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  13. Okiefreak

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    I have no problem with your posting here. Your posts are a window into the minds of a component of Trump supporters--a jumbled mess of non sequitors, misinformation, and crazy town ideas picked up from this or that right wing media source, Take, for example, what appears to be your idea that Obama is a Muslim and was trying to make the U.S. a Muslim country. Nuthouse stuff! You said you voted for Trump because he has money and are now walking away from that by saying it's just a fact of life that a person needs money to run for President. So what? Why bring it up as some kind of muddled argument in support of Trump, and then go on about it as though people are surprised and shocked that presidential elections are expensive propositions, which was never the issue in the first place. The issue is Trump's qualifications. You say you don't need to explain your opinions. That's correct, but in a discussion forum, you should be able to explain them in order to be taken seriously. You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. You seem to have a strong sense of "your rights". Does it occur to you that rights carry any responsibilities? As a citizen and a participant on a discussion forum, I think you have the responsibility to do more than spout off ignorant opinions without a rational basis. Your statement that someone is "sneakily projecting Islam into a predominantly Christian nation" has no factual basis, and by making it you're disseminating disinformation. You may have a "right" to do that, but we have a right to call you on it. Your last sentence is indicative of your mentality--"Or as you may prefer, a choice to be an Atheist nation" Apart from being snarky, the comment makes no sense. Last time I looked, the First Amendment prevented the establishment of any religion. That goes for atheism too.
     
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  14. Meliai

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    But we dont do that here. We didnt do that under the Obama administration, sorry if that hurts your feelings.

    Just because your pastor said he felt threatened doesnt mean he actually was threatened. Did anything happen to him? Or did the church continue to operate exactly as it always has? If nothing happened to him, if the church wasn't raided and he wasnt jailed and if he was able to have church service like usual, then guess what, his religious rights were not curtailed.

    Also, Obama was a Christian. Sorry if that also hurts your feelings.
     
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  15. magickman

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    Fine. You're right.
    There, does that feel better?
    I am so out of here!
     
  16. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    All colleges are not for profit enterprises. For example, Pennsylvania has 260 colleges and universities, 62 are nonprofit public, 124 are nonprofit private, and 74 are for profit private.

    At one time very few people had high school educations, now many do. At one time few people had college educations, now many do. There's nothing odd about the rising need to be better educated, the world is becoming much more complicated.

    There are many factors as to why tuition is so high, one of the main reasons is that the public and many politicians refuse to help fund the system. Funding in 2017 for state run nonprofits was 9 billion lower than 2008 after adjustment for inflation. This at a time when all costs are rising.


    Many people choose a college major that doesn't offer much in the way of employment opportunities, that doesn't mean all college degrees are bad. It means they picked the wrong major.
    We are at a historical time when many schools are having a difficult time projecting what the future needs of the workforce will be as the world is changing at an accelerated pace.

    One of my sons went to a private for profit college for web design, they guaranteed him a high paying job at graduation. 100% of his major was employed within 6 months. By the time he graduated the market had crashed and there were no jobs in web design, in addition advances in software had all but overtaken everything he learned.

    My undergrad degree was in education. I was trained in the "Industrial Arts", the Industrial Arts major was instituted in 1904 and did just fine for many years. It stressed wood and metal technology, "shop classes".
    I was taught how to square a board with a hand plane, how to run a letterpress, and use India Ink to make a technical drawing by hand, among other skills.

    By the time I graduated, wood shops were disappearing, offset lithography had replaced letter presses, and inked drawings were obsolete due photostats and white prints.
    Today almost every skill I learned is obsolete.
    I can still develop film, make halftones, paste ups, and use a jeweler's saw to cut 18 gauge silver sheet metal....and the household printer has all but wiped out small offset lithography presses.
    Jeweler's saw? Heck, my other son just uses a CNC water jet to cut 1/4 inch steel into more intricate patterns than I would ever attempt in thin brass in a fraction of the time.

    What you need to realize is that my college education gave me certain skills that are no longer valid, but it also gave me the capacity to learn and continue to learn. That's how I survived for over 34 years in my profession. By learning new skills based on how I had been trained to learn...in college.
    A high school education isn't enough today.

    Get used to it. What you know today will surely be obsolete tomorrow.
    Don't worry about what you learn, worry about how to learn.
     
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  17. scratcho

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    (To post 4316 )"bout fuckin' time. I am certainly not as calm as the other posters above. They've nailed your type succinctly. Sure --you're welcome to post anything and anywhere you want, including this site. I for one ,am glad you're here. I(t's good to be reminded of the lunacy (MO) you espouse. No understanding, no empathy, no facts and no---well never mind. Happy new year _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _.
     
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  18. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    #1. As a moderator I am telling you...you have a right to post here. You let me know if you think rules are being violated. I may not agree with your ideas, but I will defend your right to express them.

    #2. None of the items you posted were found to be illegal.

    #3. But you stated you voted for Trump because he has money...I don't understand.

    #4. I agree, we need election reform.

    #5. Okay. If you choose to believe him.

    #6. I agree. And Muslim Americans are entitled to their religion.

    #7. Again I don't understand. I know many many Christians, no one has ever prevented them from being Christians. What the fuck has Trump done to correct an non existent problem?
     
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  19. Okiefreak

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    There's some truth to what you say, but it isn't behind the Republican rejection of college and university education, which has more to do with anti-intellectualism and fear of "dangerous" ideas. The war on colleges and universities goes hand-in-hand with, and is a continuation of, the Republican war on science begun as early as the G.W. Bush andministration. Too many "inconvenient truths".
    republican war on science you tube - Yahoo Video Search Results
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    If the United States is to remain competitive, we need more education, not less. I agree we don't need it for work at McDonald's, and I strongly support expansion of our vo tech education program (or whatever the present euphemism for it is). But education isn't solely about job training, and the intellectual quality of the electorate is vital to our democracy. Republicans are suspicious of higher education because they view it as threatening to traditional values, and they're right. The purpose of a good education is to expose students to new ideas, which is always subversive.
    The Results of Being the Dumb Down Party | HuffPost
    Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
    Anti-Intellectualism and the "Dumbing Down" of America
    Anti-Intellectualism Is Just As Revolutionary As Liberalism—and Much More Dangerous
    Anti-intellectualism is taking over the US

    A final reason for the Republican dislike of colleges and universities may be the anti-intellectualism of the campus left, seized on and blown out of proportion by right wing media.
    Freedom of Speech under Assault on Campus
    War on campus: The escalating battle over college free speech - CNN
    Free Speech on Campus Is Under Attack
    Why Free Speech on Campus Is Under Attack: Blame Marcuse | Jeffrey A. Tucker
    https://www.usnews.com/news/the-rep...-free-speech-safe-spaces-and-college-campuses
    Stereotypes of student "snowflakes" seeking "safe space" protection and radical academics proselytizing their students are carefully cultivated by right wing critics to stir up populist backlash.Neo-McCarthyism and the Radical Professor
    Whatever the reasons, I think te phenomenon goes much deeper than overselling of degrees.
     
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  20. NotMyRealName

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    I lay no claim to being in alignment with any of that. I won't question it one way or the other. I was told point blank early in my career, if I wanted to be promoted I needed a degree. So I got one in business. Nothing about that degree made me a better employee, but if allowed them to keep their statistics. I was no better or no more capable.

    I have sense that time pursued a degree in the medical field as an O&P practitioner.

    2 years into it, I was offered a COO position that paid better and kept me out of the new world of ObamaCare. So I'll never know how that education would have worked out but I'm glad I don't need to know now.
     

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