The disprooveing of evalootion thread

Hey Hikky, I knew he had died quite some time ago, so when I said I am pretty sure he is no longer an atheist, I meant that if he no longer exists period, as per atheism, then he obviously is no longer an atheist. Or, if there is life after death and his spirit lives on, he is likely no longer an atheist either, unless he somehow does not know he has died. So the odds of him still being an atheist are pretty slim. Until I die, I can't say anything more than that, and maybe I won't be able to then either, if death is the end.
'There is no death, only a change of worlds.' Chief Seattle

 

nm... BG13 got it.

 

I think you meant to say intelligent design in action.
Think.
Think...

 

In the words of that wise legend John Winston Ono Lennon, as learned by him from Yoko, "You don't take nothing with you but you're soul...think!"
So I tried, here's what I came up with.
First, no, I think I meant to say what I said, which is always my goal.
Second, it may be intelligent design in action, expressed by way of the process of evolution.
I think I feel that what I feel is what I think.

 

There is said to be a majority of Evolutionists who believe that some sort of Intelligent Hand guided the process.
There are even Theists who came that way because of their research into evolution and were so overwhelmed by the astonishing complexity and even 'ingenius beauty' of organisms that they were led to say 'There must be a God'.

Of course, a person can most definately carry on a Christian existance and believe in Evolutionism if they really want to.
In a real sense - what we ARE and where we are is the point.
If you really want to believe that some soup was hit by lightning and then morphed into everything on earth - well suit yourself I guess.

 

Then where did this "intelligent hand" come from? Ahh...an infinite circle of backstepping...

To say that "God" (or intelligent hand, foot or elbow) JUST existed is contradictory to the entire theory that the cosmos needed a "cause". The cosmos is everything that there is INCLUDING the "observable" universe or multiverses. And as we know matter cannot be created or destroyed, but can only change form--thus, it is more likely to say that nature (matter/energy) always existed rather than some unproven, invisible, intangible, self-contradicting SUPERNATURAL GHOSTMAN IN THE SKY...who is "transcendent" of nature although we have NO REASON WHATSOEVER to even CONSIDER BELIEVING SUCH HORSESHIT....

 

I agree with Libertine. It's contradictory to say 'how could the universe exist without a creator' but at the same time say that the creator exists without cause.

Saying that, I do believe in God.

People think that Genesis must be a lie because it says that Adam was the first man, and we know now for certain that there were men before Adam.

But Adam was the first man, and there were men before Adam. How come? Well the answer is actually written down in Genesis, you just have to remember who God is: creator of the Earth, not inhabitant of it.

People also say 'even God can't change the past', but that is a mistake. God created the whole universe (ie the whole of time and space) at once. Time is irrelevant to God and therefore if he wants to change time, he can quite easily do so.

Genesis describes God's creation of the universe. Not like writing a story from the beginning to the end, rather like moulding a piece of clay. First, God puts a man on the Earth. At this point, there is no woman, and therefore no procreation, Adam doesn't have a penis, or balls (or a belly button) and there is no cycle of life and death — just one man. For whatever reason (Adam got lonely?) God revises this planet (ie "moulds the clay" to give the man company, so now he invents females, and hence invents sex, procreation, gives Adam a penis, gives Adam an animal ancestory, and the planet is now full of creatures.

This is all described in Genesis and it all makes perfect sense to me, along with the fact that humans evolved from apes millions of years ago. Yes, Adam "was" the first man. But now he's not because God changed it (as described in Genesis).

Does this make sense?

 

this is where one asks themselves:
"if god is all powerful, can he himself create something that even he cannot lift?"

 

Why are you people are so afriad of evolution? It dosnt tell you how we were created. So why are you guess go so crazy about it...

Also (havent read the whole thing) Evolution is a biology theory....

 

Yes. An omnipotent being could feesably change things about himself. For example, he could take away some of his strength to lift the rock...

 

well damn burby
that was supposed to be rhetorical
like "if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around, does it make a sound"
but you answered it
that must mean....
YOU ARE GOD!
yay!
=)

 

In the bible, John 1:1 I think it says, ' In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God' or something quite close to that. Coincidentally there is a verse in the Hindu Vedas that is identical except that God is replace by Brahma. What does that line mean to you? To me it is describing a singularity, or a one dimensional figure. In my youth, when I first read that I was struck by how that paralleled the theoretical initial state of the universe preceding the big bang. Some people of course will claim that the two descriptions of the distant beginning of the universe which come from ancient religious texts matching the current scientific model is just another coincidence.
I must remove myself from the 'we' you refer to in your 'HORSESHIT' sentence. You may have no reason, but you can't speak for me. I have some reason, enough to be convinced of the existance of the 'supernatural', but not enough to be convinced that there is a God. I doubt I will ever be, but I know that my experiences have made me accept that others' faith is no less valid or true than mine. I could say that my life experiences have made it so that there is absolutely no possibility whatsoever that I could ever believe in that atheism horseshit, no offense.

 

A tree doesn't make a sound unless anything is there to hear it. Sound is the perception in out brain of the air vibrations. If no one hears it, then it is just vibraiting air...

 

Ahh...ok. Evidence of your "supernaturalism"?

 

ahh...ok, if you really want it, but I must warn you, that it is all stuff I have seen and experienced. Since you haven't, it is likely not going to be good enough for you. Why should you believe me? I cannot honestly say that I feel you would accept my hearsay evidence as being accurate and totally truthful. There is not much usefulness in the exercise, when it has such a long shot of being trusted. Not that I expect you to trust me, I expect nothing.

 

darn you god!

(i knew that)

 

So, since God hears it?

 

creation vs. evolution... let them run parrallel to one another and i believe were actually looking at two different interpretations of the same thing with an argument over the lenth of the time line. creationists believe god created the this world and its inhabitents in 7 seven days starting with the earth, its atmosphere and eventually working upto us as humans. evolutionists looks at the same things through a few million years. time on the other hand is relative, you see it the way you want to and the way you feel it... without the contraints of a watch. so some may have felt the it happen in seven days an others a million years the same way children on a bus trip feel the ride there with the anticipation of getting there taking five minutes, and the ride back home to parents after a long day with friends taking five hours.

 

If God is in everything, and is everything, eternally, then when the tree fell, he didn't hear it. Instead, he knew it fell, and that it made sound waves, but, technically, he didn't hear it, he was it.

 

Then he is also all what "caused" the tree fall. I mean, the wind...