The 'Deplorables' Speech: Five Years Later

Thanks, and likewise!

 

I agree.
Mostly.
Except that it depends on the tax break.
Probably should eliminate them all. But, people get tax breaks for developing technology for helping to clean up the environment. And for interest on mortgage payments. And for giving to charities. And for high medical bills.
So I can see why they were implemented. It's like a payment to help with certain burdens.

 

This is fun, but I have responsibilities. I can't take an hour out of each day to niggle out your good points from erroneous and try to persuade you to my side of everything and that conservatism doesn't make people bad.

I don't buy on to any platform; instead I try to look at the various sides of issues and use analysis to form my own position. Typically that ends up right-leaning on economic issues, and left-leaning on social issues. But not on all issues. So if you're judging people from a left-vs-right perspective, then it's no wonder you would see me as inconsistent.

 

I don't condone any unprovoked violence.
I only condone self-defense.
I get the news, left and right leaning. I know which side is more violent. But there's assholes and idiots on both sides, just like there's good people on both sides.

 

Dime tú.

 

As a Native American, I can sympathize with the concern about immigration. In retrospect, we should have been pickier about who we let into this country. I'm not a believer in open borders, and I don't think a country has to let itself be engulfed by populations whose cultural differences are difficult to assimilate. But all in all, I think we've benefited tremendously by immigration. While I'm concerned that some immigrants don't have cultural traditions which support democracy, that seems also to be true of the domestic population in red states that are having a cow over the Great Replacement. The Proud boys claim to be supporters of "western chauvinism" and treat Pat Buchanan's The Death of the West as its Bible. This concern about "The Great Replacement" is an American manifestation of a phenomenon that seems to be going on in Europe, as well, in reaction to waves of mainly Muslim immigration. I hope somebody replaces the Proud Boys and their ilk soon.

We're talking here about the kind of equality that is protected by the Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection Clause, the Civil Rights Acts and the Rehabilitation Act. Don't you believe in that? Do you think we should provide ramps and reserved parking for the disabled, and equalize opportunities as much as we can? Some of us are naturally born with more brawn and brains than others, and some with no brains and brawn have trust funds and daddies who can get them into Wharton. Trump is an example of a guy of below average native ability who made it cuz he had a rich daddy and no scruples. We don't want to handicap the naturally well-endowed, but don't want people to be handicapped just because of their race, ethnic background, gender, religion, or other characteristic that unnecessarily puts them at a disadvantage. Kapish?

It depends on what kinds of schools we're talking about. Charter schools are public schools, so they are supposed to accept all students, including those with special needs. But, they have greater ability to teach to the test, and to push out students who pose the most challenging academic and behavior problems. Licensure or certification requriements are quite different. Unlike teachers in traditional public schools, who must be licensed or certified to teach through traditional or alternative programs recognized by the state or district, a majority of states do not require charter school teachers to be licensed. And they don't seem to have demonstrably better long term results, despite their propaganda and what uninformed parents might think. Issues with accountability and funding have contributed to high failure rates for charter schools, with nearly a quarter of them closing due to mismanagement. Competing for taxpayer dollars may simply leave both systems under resourced.

Private schools are a different ball game, with more latitude to pick and choose who they let in, although those who receive federal support for free breakfast/lunch programs, technology grants, etc, may be subject to some federal requirements under Titles VI and IX of the Civil Rights Acts and Sec. 504 of the Rehabilitation Act. Private schools are expensive, and tend to be authoritarian. You can't really make private schools accessible to all without making them public and limiting their freedom of recruitment.

 

You seem to condone the Proud Boys who are essentially a glorified street gang--not exemplars of decency, and not just concerned with"self defense".

 

Which consistently come down on the side of the authoritarian right. Please don't confuse conservatism with the nativist radicalism that is the essence of Trump support and the groups you defend.

 

This makes no sense. I could shoot all kinds of holes in this reasoning, but why bother.

 

The Metropolitan Museum of Art held a gala and invited Nicki Minaj who declined to attend stating that she was unvaccinated.

The Trinidadian-born rapper then cited ( on twitter) an urban legend concerning vaccinations.

The Biden Admin is reaching out to Minaj to sell her on the benefits of vaccination.

There you have it , if you are an ordinary Jane Q. Public who may be afraid the vaccine will make you infertile, the White House has a different message for you: Get the shot or get fired. Deploprables. Its not five years later, its all the time.

If you are a Grammy-winning rapper with millions of social media followers who won’t get the COVID-19 vaccine you get air kisses from the White House.

 

I see your point. It seems to be a kind of right wing political correctness, like "you can only call me by the pronouns of my choice". Meanwhile, the right wingers show no inhibitions about calling their adversaries every name in the book and then some: Femminazi,, Snowflake, RINO, etc. Nor have they been overly inhibited about the use of violence. Don’t Blame the Left for Political Violence in America: The Problem Lies with the Right - In These Times But labels are important. Labels on prescription bottles warn us of dangerous drugs. Warning signs warn us of deer crossings and washed out bridges. And political labels warn us of dangerous individuals. Would Trudgin' want us to take the same approach to Islamic terrorists or communist insurrectionists? or to murderers, muggers, or rapists? I don't think so. If he would,it's worse than I thought.

Labels. if applied accurately, give us objective information, regardless of the subjective self-concepts of people being labeled. Of course, they can be misused. "Fascist" has been too readily used by people on the left against the right, and now people on the right against the left. "Godwin's law"or "reduction ad Hitlerum" tells us ("Rule #1) that whoever first uses "Hitler", "Nazi" or "Fascist" in an argumrnent loses But that's because the labels are typically used incorrectly. Used correctly, however, the label can remind us of danger signals when we see things happening that are all too familiar to historians. Mike Godwin, the constituional lawyer who invented the rule, is willing to make an exception for Trump, so long as we know what we're talking about. .https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...-make-sure-you-know-what-youre-talking-about/ In Hi. Hitler, Fairfield Univeristy professor Gavriel Rosenfeld develops this argument.

Fascism was introduced by Benito Mussolini and perfected by Hitler to describe their, at the time unique, political systems based on nine elements: populism+Nativism+Nationalism+hypermasculinity+Scapegoating+embrace of violence+rejection of democracy+the leadership Principle+Statism. A movement doesn't have to have all of these characterisics to make the Fascist label meaningful, but it should have most of them. Fascism is populist in gearing its messaging to the little guy who feels left out of the distribution of wealth, status and power in society. It is nativist in being against foreign influence and immigration, It is nationalist in stressing national glory and superiority (for Mussolini, restoring the glory of the Roman Empire; for Hitler, fulfilling the destiny of the Aryan Master Race embodied in the Third Reich). It scapegoats out groups (for Mussolini, socialists and communists, who were beaten up by his blackshirts; for Hitler, Jews, gypsies and homosexuals, who were beaten up by his brownshirts). as the source of society's evils It puts it's faith primarily in a Leader instead of policies or institutions (IL Duce, for Mussolini's followers; Der Furher, for Hitler's). And it advocates Statism, in which the government is given totalitarian control over people's lives. In sum, Fascism is demagoguery at its most extreme form. "

The closest we've come to Fascism in U.S. history is the Trump movement. He is populist in appealing to the white non-college educated males' sense of being left out of the American dream. He is nativist in his emphasis on building a wall against illegal Mexican immigration, rounding them up, and kicking them out, and in "extreme vetting" of Middle Eastern immigrants. He is nationalist in the call to "Make America Great Again. He scapegoats Mexicans and Muslims. And he put himself forward as the only hope for getting our country out of its alleged failed condition. He talked about about doing things to "terrorists" which are unconstitutional, and is confident the military won't say No to him. The beginnings of a police state were implicit in policies of rounding up and deporting millions of undocumented aliens, "extreme vetting" of immigrants from threatening countries, and surveillance of mosques. You can't do those things without massive police involvement, and the predictable resistance would only escalate that. Trump's "Law and Order" speech, given in Milwaukee hot on the heels of rioting over the killing of an African-American by police, echoed the infamous use of the phrase by Hitler. Personalism is the essence of Trumpism, which has become a cult of personality. Trump is a world class demagogue. Nixon used "law and order" as a dogwhistle for suppression African-Americans. Mussolini and Hitler couldn't have timed it better. As Hitler said: "We need law and order. Yes, without law and order our nation cannot survive. Elect us and we shall restore law and order."It’s fair to argue that the xenophobic sentiments of Trump's “America First” resemble the spirit of Nazi fascism — especially considering the term’s fraught origins from that time. Trump’s promotion of violence in rallies and on Twitter parallels the Nazi ethos, as do his hypermasculinity and misogyny. Trump’s delighted denunciation of “fake news” doesn’t sound so different from Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels’ excoriation of the “lügenpresse,” or “lying press.” When Is It Okay To Call Someone A Nazi?
His brazen, on-going efforts to overturn the results of the election he lost and to retain the presidential office, aided and abetted by he sycophant followers, should cinch the comparison. Danger: Beware of the Fascist!

 

People on the right like to bandy around the word Communist, i.e. if you don’t agree with their viewpoint, you must be one. It’s a fear mongering term.
Here is another example of misidentification.
Re: Bernie Sanders
It is so simple—A Social Democrat wants to keep our market-based capitalist economic system but wants to have a lot of federal government social programs such as Social Security and Medicare to help the people. A Socialist wants to abolish capitalism and have a socialist economy. What is so hard to understand about this? They are not the same thing.
Another example of fear mongering. Unfortunately, Americans are attracted to the sound bite.

 

Hillary's words were spot on, although five years later they seem to have underestimated the problem. I think any supporter of Trump is deplorable: rotten to the core!

 

Jesus said, "Forgive them father, for they know not what they do" and could have been speaking to the democratic party. Conservatives would be utterly deplorable, if they weren't so pathetic. Donald Duck is deplorable, but so pathetic you want to just lock him in a rubber room with a magic marker.

 

Clinton was largely right, but it was stupid to say politically. It likely cost her the election.

 

I'm'a git me wunna 'em 'ere hats what says 'deplorable' onnit.