The 'Deplorables' Speech: Five Years Later

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ~Zen~, Aug 31, 2021.

  1. Rotten Willie

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    Guess I just don't get it. To me, Drumph has always come off as a lying, arrogant, blowhard, dipshit. If that what counts for charisma, I don't want any part of it.
     
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  2. newo

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    Hitler had the same charisma. Trump's charisma gets many people to believe his arrogant, blowhard, dipshit lies. You can fool some of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time, but he couldn't fool enough of them all of the time.

    Perhaps what you don't get is, why don't they get it? Why can't the basket of idiots see that he's full of shit? That's okay, I don't get it either.
     
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  3. scratcho

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    "traditional right wing values of common decency." That's a fuckin'joke if I ever heard one! Your man trump certainly embodies those values doesn't he? Along with Greene, Boebert, turtle boy, Cawthorn and your buddies in arms January the 6th. Republican don't give a shit about democracy--Alex Jones is another good example of common right wing common decency. They're playing to the ignorant , the easily duped racist white supremacists all the way. Trump is still bleating about the media spending too much time on the weather tragedies that have killed and harmed so many. "they spent all day talking about the weather instead of me." The sick prick is still saying "the press is the enemy of the people."!! Fascist pig!!:mad::mad:

    It's not Clinton we have to worry about--she's had her day in the limelight. It's the right wing--"common decency" easily duped people that we should concern ourselves with. You know--like Tukkker kkkarlson.
     
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  4. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Thanks.

    A person of extreme nationalist views is under the same umbrella as a person of extreme racist views???

    Like, really... That's a whole different ballgame. The only thing they have in common is that somebody has called them each "extreme".

    Plus, to have been a Nazi, you had to be both racist and nationalist. Not just one or the other. But primarily racist.

    Odd that neo-Nazi can be either when each is so different. Which in essence makes it a very vague term by that definition. Like vehicle vs car, truck, or motorcycle.

    I believe in the sovereignty of nations. Who thinks that constitutes "extreme"?
     
  5. Piobaire

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    If the jackboot fits...
     
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  6. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    That is responsible for much of the problems our country faces. And why we need competition among schools so parents can fund the ones they think are doing the best by their kids, thus improving the education to better society.
     
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  8. newo

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    And we're off the subject again. Unless you're talking about the lack of education among Trump supporters.
     
  9. MeAgain

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    We are talking about the Proud boys. You seem to think the Proud Boys aren't comparable to Nazism. So let's compare.

    Disdain for Liberalism, anti-socialist, engage in racist events, violent, antisemite, nationalistic, are agaisnt anti fascists, praise the murder of Leftists, oppose feminism, anti immigrate, Islamophobic, require a loyalty oath, are anti black, advocate the overthrow of the legitimate government, wear identifying attire, and associate themselves with the holocaust via 6MWE ("6 million wasn't enough"), and praise Fascist Italy.

    Now what common decency and traditional right wing values are you referring to?
    Are you saying right wing values include all of the above?

    Next, please explain what lawless leftest opportunist you are referring to.
     
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  10. MeAgain

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    The term extreme Nationalistic views is referring to views such as those professed by Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy.
    The term extreme racist views is referring to views such as those professed by Nazi Germany.

    Neo Nazism is a term used to describe those who promote some or all of the tenets of Nazi Germany,
     
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  11. MeAgain

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    In order to have competition you must have a level playing field.
    For example, if you have a football team that charges high fees to participate, can exclude anyone it wants, can cut anyone it wants, can discipline its members any way it wants (short of violence), is not held to a universal set of rules, and has a large coach to player ratio; and my team is free to everyone, must accept anyone who wants to join, cannot cut any members but must play them all, is restricted as to discipline, is held to a set book of rules, and has a limited number of coaches verses players, that would not seem to be a level playing field.

    Your team would be comprised of only those who want to play football as they have to pay to play. The members of your team would be healthier and more intelligent due to better nutrition and environment. Anyone not meeting your standards could be removed from the team, you could impose harsh discipline (if they don't like it they will be cut), rules can be bend, and there are many coaches to help.

    My team would be comprised of those who want to play football as well as those who hate the game. The members of my team would be less healthy and intelligent due to poorer nutrition and environment. I would have to accept everyone including those who are mentally ill, handicapped, emotionally disturbed, violent, drug addicts, and those who have broken the law, no one could be removed from the team. Discipline can not be equal to your discipline as the parents of your players all agree to your discipline terms or they go elsewhere, rules are enforced by local committees who often know little about football, and there are few coaches to help.

    You would think that your team would perform better.

    This is the usual unlevel field in primary and secondary education. But the fact is private schools perform no better than public schools overall and usually worse.

    Now after all that, how would you provide for competition in primary and secondary education to improve it?
     
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  12. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Is that what I "seem to think", or do you seem to be reading minds? I'm going with the latter because I never made any statement comparing that group to Nazis. Others may have, you could try keeping better track, but 1) I don't know enough to opine, and 2) I'm not forming my opinion based on your attack on what you said you thought I was thinking. So there's that.

    Common decency and traditional right wing values, you ask? How about a male and female marrying under God and raising their children in the church to love and respect others, follow the ten commandments, work for one's own likelihood, and not demand the fruits of another's labor. It doesn't get any more right-wing than that.

    Lawless leftist opportunists you're confused about? I was referring to the people hurting others and destroying the property of others. It kinda dominated the news for a while last year in case you missed it.
     
  13. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    I bet one of their tenets was eating enjoyable meals. So by your definition, the vast majority of humans are neo-nazi.
     
  14. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Competition has never required a "level playing field". You and I could both enter a motorcycle riding competition and one or the other would emerge the victor.
     
  15. Tishomingo

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    –a modern extreme right-wing political movement and ideology based on a resurgence of support for Nazi ideological principles.Dictionary, Encyclopedia and Thesaurus - The Free Dictionary
    Neo-Nazis, literally meaning "new" Nazis, is a general term referring to all social or political movements that work to reintroduce concepts of the Nazi period of 1933–to 1945 in Europe and are based upon the racial policies of fascism.
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  16. Tishomingo

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    I'll bet you're wrong. That may be a "tenet" of the Diner's Club, but no Neo-Nazi group I know of has that as a tenet. And it's a logical fallacy. "Nazis have bad breath. You have bad breath (for purpose of illustration). Therefore , you must be a Nazi."
     
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    False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency. Colloquially, a false equivalence is often called "comparing apples and oranges."
     
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  18. newo

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    They're deplorable and some can be compared to nazis. Done.
     
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  19. MeAgain

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    I was comparing them to the Nazis, I thought you were disputing that comparison.

    I have no trouble with a male and female engaging in a religious marriage and raising their children as they see fit, as long as they abide by the law. What I do have trouble with is other people imposing those values on complete strangers. As an example they should respect the people whose values may include the view that they don't believe in a god or gods and don't want to marry in a church, etc.

    As far as the ten commandments, they're fine as far as they go.

    Same with work.

    I'm not sure what you are referring to about demanding the fruit of another's labor. I am opposed to slavery, usury, under paying employees, corporate greed, tax evasion, etc. But I have no problem with providing legitimate unemployment compensation, child care credits, welfare, and things that aid those in need.

    I agree that people shouldn't destroy others property. I don't understand why you think that those you describe as "leftist opportunists", how ever you came up with that term, are the only ones who do that. I was asking what "leftist opportunists" you were referring to and how you knew they supported leftist ideals, and what you think those ideals are.
     
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  20. MeAgain

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    Of course you know that's a false equivalence.
     
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