The dead are concious of nothing at all

We are dying to be born. Sperm enters egg, bye bye sperm and egg, hellooo zygote, nice prefrontal stem cell baby!

 

No, we're only striving to be born.

 

Didn't took me much strive.

 

Sure, but you strove nonetheless. (Shh dope don't think he's body )

 

A lot of people strive more to stay alive later in life than they were striving to get born.

 

Against dying. But that means for reasons that are commonly ethical. I must Care or something like that.:biker:

 

Asmo:

LOLLOL, Let's for the moment say that's true, what's your point?! lololllolol lololooool :-D

Anaximenes:

No, striving for further expression.

thedope knows creation is without opposite. ( Fuck knows why he thinks we die from birth! lol ) There's no death cycle, except this one:

 

No, you only bear strife. You said yourself that you would die to keep your life if necessary.

 

It is an evident truth. If anything, it is the mom that generally does the most striving at a baby's birth. I guess the point of saying that is that you don't make sense here:

So you might wanna expand and clarify (if you care to bring YOUR point across) :sunny:

 

That, I believe, meant that we, the living, must instead maintain the consciouness for their Existence upon Choice.

 

In all that you do remember me. Certainly to actively deny existence based on the evidence of the body is a charade. Leave the dead to bury the dead.

 

"For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten-
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I forget where I heard this -- I even forget if its the right quote ..but I wanted to post something that I thought was pertinent

 

Dejavu:

Possibly i should have said, "At present, humans have only a finite lifespan." In the future, we may be able to transcend death and move beyond the limitations of a fragile biological body as "I" refers not to the body, but to the mind. The sense of self, the ego, is an element of the mind, not the body. Hosting this consciousness on more durable and capable silicon hardware would remove these limnitations.



Dejavu:

Dying is the process of death. Death: the end of life. The end of a story is still part of the story, as is the beginning.

 

I heard about putting people's minds in computers.....maybe that is where the human race is already heading...this just being the beginning.....I don't know if I would want to be trapped in a computer more than I already am...lol

Also, another theory is that we all are part of someone's computer video game already.......

 

There was a science fiction writer who illustrated future man...mostly all head....small body, as he was not using it anymore and long fingers for the computer.......

 

this is the beginning, at current we can interface with computers, but we have not yet merged out consciousness with the computers silicon nature.

I do not believe this. I have heard the theory. Ever heard of Occam's Razor? it is a principle, and is one of the basis of scientfic thinking, that based on what you know and the data available, the simplest explanation is likely the correct one. This theory of being simulations in a computer is much like religeon, in that based on the current understanding of the world, it requires much manipulation of logic to become plausible and to pass the test of reasoning. If the universe were a simulation, it would be irrelevant anyway since there would be no way to prove or disprove this with any logic, reasoning, or measurment as all conditions would be simulated and there would be no way to see anything outside of the simulated environment. I would offer an analogy about computer code running inside a simulated machine, ie virtual machine but its beyong the scope of this thread. Just know that the program running would not be able to see the real hardware and memory space.

 

that's good....

 

but I also know that anything is possible until proven otherwise......as if there is an outside universe we do not see manipulating ours, we would never know it, as you said, and no, I never heard of Occam's Razor.....but there are multiple theories about everything....so until something is definitely discounted...I do not claim to know.

 

anything is not possible. many things may be deemed possible, until we have learned enough about the mechanics of the universe and have the formulas and equations to test these "possibilities"

some things simply are not possible, in any way. if you ignore what is known as true, and ignore the known laws of physics that govern the behavior of the universe and the matter/energy in it then you may say that many things are possible, but it is without denial that some things are still not possible, and are not going to occur.

this is probability, and the related statistics. some things have a zero probability of occurring and therefore will never occur, even given an infinite timespan. and those things that are never observed to occur will likely never happen. the probabilty decreases the longer the timespan where the condition or event does not occur.

since we do not have an infinite timespan to observe and record, we can not say with 100% certainty that the probability is zero for certain things, but based on our current understanding of what we do know as fact to be true, we can use reasoning to pretty effectively eliminate any possibility of such things and thus they are no longer necessary in our consideration.

 

I just wonder about this connectiveness of thought always.....I can think of something only sometimes, and then I see it only hours later said by someone somewhere....
It is kind of freaky really.