The dairy industry is bad news

I am a weak vegeterian that sees what you all saying , but can't be as militant (is that the right word) ... making a donation is just to say 'hey i care'

 

...good.ideq!

 

I think what the dok is trying to say is that it is important not for anyone to become too self righteous.

In this life death is part of it. If you use less animal products then there is a chance you will use more plastics ... thus contributing to greenhouse gases, the destruction of the ozone layer and the melting of the ice caps etc.

I think that there are also issues now with excessive soya production and health implications too.

Driving a car will mean that, in the summer, you will kill insects and possibly small rodents. You will also be contributing once again to the greenhouse effect.

If you smoke the same will apply, I don't think cigarettes are vegan.

I can't remember the specific name of the test but legally, I think that any medication that you take has to be tested on animals. Do you therefore refuse medicine when you are ill?

There are many ways of lessening the impact we have on the planet, not eating meat is one of the most effective and I've never seen someone feel guilty for killing a sprout.

Meat may be murder, but murder is occasionally and unfortunately part of survival. What would you say about the Inuit people or some of the indigenous tribes of the Amazon basin who have no choice or know no different? Are they murderers too?

To me, murder is an intentional act, a crime commited with thought and occasionally passion. Most people who eat meat are just conditioned into not thinking about what they are eating ... blame the fancy packaging, blame singing chicken nuggets or Mr Wimpy looking all tasty in his little cardboard box ... people who eat meat may be making a mistake but it isn't easy undoing generations of programming and social influence.

 

my goodness..... well..... to the personal attack i recieved saying i was selfish...may i just reply. i think i should point out that i chose to become vege when i was 4 years old and have been ever since. can i ask pixie-when did you become vege? does this mean that as a kid you were *shock horror* selfish too?!? dear oh dear..... i do my best to live ethically but thinhgs do get in the way-if you see this as an excuse then thats fair enough and its down to your own judgement to see that.

a point i think should be made is although i completely disagree very strongly with abuse of usage of animals for our own means, that thats just a point of view that you have alone. by that i mean thats a battle you have chosen and something you are fighting for. personally, i would never turn round and attack someone who held a different view to mine in the way you did in this thread, without having more of an idea where that person is coming from first. its not a human thing to do, it was brutal and unkind. so, if you can generalise and tell me that becuase i drink goats milk i am selfish, then please allow me to generalise and say to you because of the way you reacted that you do not come across as being a very nice person. my point here is that everyone has very different standards in different issues, your veganism may be equal to my attempting not to cause suffering to humans and other beings(and yes i know what your going to say here....) but that doesn't give us the right to yell and get all high and mighty about it, as doing that won't change anything at all....... im not perfect, but im doing the best i can do right now.
namaste
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ROFLMAO , thanks Paul.

 

ROFLMAO? I see you've found something you can spell at last

 

touche .

 

You are being rather hypocritical here, no?

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I beg to differ:H

 

Yes it is simplistic cos it's an arse cutting and pasting all the letters on my shitty pc!!... Am at the cafe now...

I just don't know how anyone can justify using animals for there own ends... it's sick... It's almost worse that they see what they are doing is wrong yet carry on doing it

It's my opinion. There is no justification for it.... That's not to say I hate meat eaters though... most of my friends eat meat or dairy etc and they'll vouch for me when I say I do not force my opinions on veganism down their throats.

But this is a discussion forum.

I posted some information and it has obviously brought out some strong emotions in people... not a bad thing I'd say.

I am with Pixie on this one at feeling outrage at hypocracy. There are easy things we can all do right now to make life worth living for animals yet certain people do nothing.

I see that as selfish... I think I was selfish for not becoming a vegan years ago when I knew in my heart I should be We are all selfish to some degree, but just ADMIT it!!! It's annoying when people come on with a holier than though attitude.

Yes there are lots of things we can do... not drinking milk is just one of them... it's easy, so why don't people do it? It baffles me....

Peace Clairexxx