The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice. Is Christianity a moral creed?

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice. Is Christianity a moral creed?

I find Christianity immoral for substitutionary atonement as well as many others of their moral tenets.

Without the blood sacrifice of Jesus, Christianity fails as a salvific religion.

We could thump all day with passages that both support blood sacrifice as well as quote the many passages against it as shown with both types of quotes in this link.



Recognizing that there are many contradictory passages in scriptures, let’s ignore them all and just look at the morality of substitutionary atonement.

Scriptures tell us that to perfect our wisdom, we must get out of the Christian theology. I think that those passages are asking us to confirm our thinking with analogies that do not include Christian dogma.

With that in mind, I offer an analogy for discussion.

Scriptures say we are all children of God.

Imagine you have two children. One of your children does something wrong – say it curses, or throws a temper tantrum, or something like that. In fact, say it does this on a regular basis, and you continually forgive your child, but it never seems to change.

Now suppose one day you’ve had enough, you need to do something different. You still wish to forgive your child, but nothing has worked. Do you go to your second child, your good child, and punish it to atone for the sins of the first?

In fact, if you ever saw a parent on the street punish one of their children for the actions of their other child, how would you react? Would you support their decision, or would you be offended?

Interestingly, some historical royal families would beat their slaves when their own children did wrong – you should not, after all, ever beat a prince. The question is: what kind of lesson does that teach the child who actually did the harm? Does it teach them to be a better person, to stop doing harm, or does it teach them both that they won't themselves be punished, and also that punishing other people is normal? I know that's not a lesson I would want to teach my children, and I suspect it's not a lesson most Christians would want to teach theirs. So why does God?

For me, that’s at least one significant reason I find Jesus’ atonement of our sin to be morally repugnant – of course, that’s assuming Jesus ever existed; that original sin actually exists; that God actually exists; etc.

Do you agree that having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. Do you agree that to abdicate personal responsibility or use a scapegoat is immoral?

If not, please show how it is morally and legally good to punish the innocent instead of the guilty, bearing in mind that all legal systems think that punishing the guilty is what is justice.

Regards
DL

 

I might even be a Christian were it not for the whole atonement of sins thing. But rather, just a man who gave his life for a noble cause. That I can get behind. That's a true sacrifice. When you're just a man and you believe in something and you're willing to die for it. Ideally, for me, Jesus would just be the most common representation of that.

Also I just think the whole appeasing a god through a blood sacrifice to be a concept we shouldn't hold onto. I think it goes back to ancient culture's kind of flighty idea of what human blood was. Like, they didn't understand what it did, so it took on some hugely mystical significance.

 

Most of what you dislike is the work of churches throughout the ages, rather than what is written in the bible.
You do not have to follow a church or become a member of a cult to lead a Christian life.

 

I kind of find sacrifices to be romantic in some way, maybe it's just that old school medieval scene I'm really into like, you can pursuade me with a nice bear pelt, I'm sure sacrificing 10 people for me would put you in the good books too.

Or the fact someone would do that for me, is that romantic or just fucked up?

I also adore oaths and bloodbound oaths.

We swore our oaths when we got married, and it was the best romantic thing ever for me, every oath sworn was a Bind in our hand fast.

 

That's fucked up. Like, do you have no empathy for the people being sacrificed?

 

Hmm well that would depend on who they are.
In the middle ages they would be my enemies, so no, I doubt I'd have empathy. That's not how it worked lol.

Well actually it would be before the middle ages wouldn't it, like from 0000 - 1500 or something, because the middle ages was overrun with Christianity, and apparently our gut spilling blood eagle ways of the Saxon and Norse was too brutal for the new order which thought burning and guillotine and torture were better off.

 

What if they weren't your enemies? Would you still find it romantic if someone sacrificed them for you?

 

No, they'd have to be my enemies.

I mean like William Wallace in Braveheart. If he was just going around killing the English for something to do then that's not cool, but it was fueled with passion and fire! and ardent hatred because they killed his wife and he cracked it and said fuck this! Waged a war on a entire nation.

I know that's not the reeeal William Wallace, but I always think of Braveheart as very romantic and that's got some nasty scenes in it. I guess on the catch 20/20 they ended up really torturing him, bad.

So they gotta be your enemies. would have been a stupid movie otherwise. Lol.

Lol, you do realise I'm just taking the piss, don't you?

 

I don’t think I could ever go along with the idea of sacrificing a virgin.

It would seem like such a waste tossing some fresh young girl into an active volcano just to appease the God in question – even a powerful God.

 

In other words - you'd quite like to?

 

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If you’re suggesting I’d deflower her first before sacrificing her to the powers that be, you might have a point

 

For all we know the people may of stopped the crucifixion of the Christ is a mass riot and revolt. Next thing we know Rome fell.. Someone just wrote the bible for others to have a story in the future. For all we know its all a myth from beginning to end.. I mean everything..

 

There is only one reference outside the bible to a man named "Christ".

He is said to manipulate the poor who do not understand that what he does is like a magic trick. He claims to be an only son from god but it is known he has sisters and a brother. His occupation is listed as a pig farmer. It also noted he was one of many men claiming to the son of god who all small followings in Roman cities.

The elite and educated Romans see the truth but during the time the poor did not. Somehow the myth lived on and got bigger.

Many elements of the story like the virgin birth were around thousands of years before.

 

Legend has it that it was written by the dark whites, called the Necronomicon and roughly translated, The Green Book.

 

Thanks for your view on Jesus. I like it.

This though is disturbing. "I might even be a Christian".

What do you find appealing in Yahweh/Jesus, who I see as a genocidal son murdering prick of a God.

Regards
DL

 

This is true.

Why would you encourage people into following a vile genocidal son murdering God and a homophobic and misogynous creed?

I do not see doing that as moral. How is it you do?

Regards
DL

 

Human sacrifice/murder is romantic to you. Ok.

Regards
DL

 

Lol

 

To not believe it is a myth would mean believing that serpents and donkeys talk human.

Only the brain dead will be literal readers of the Christian myth.

Dumb is as dumb does.

Regards
DL

 

I see the bible as a consolidation of many of the older and wiser belief systems.

It was a good book of wisdom sayings before literal reading of myths took most of the wisdom out of Christian consciousness.

Regards
DL