The Carter III

There is no fucking way Weezy is at the top of the game.

Here's just five people off the top of my head:

Nas
Eminem
Jay-Z
Kanye West
Busta Rhymes

Lil' Wayne ain't shit, y'all have shit taste in music if you even consider him decent. Hes like a step up from Hurricane Chris, hell I think Chris is even better than him.

 

ROFL, Makaveli lost all credibility when he said "The Carter III" will be a classic. There is no fucking way. Last classic album was probably The Blueprint or The Marshall Mathers LP, nothing since then. And when you said LIl Wayne > Common.

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:cheers2:

 

Funny, I can name many albums better than both released in the past 5 years.

 

HAHAHA oh my god... that quote there bud...nice...real nice of you to point out. This will just prove how Wayne blows.

Ironically, that exact quote was taken straight from a Common song (I don't know what song the quote is originally from, it is either a sample for his beat, or it was a feature...not sure, someone fill that in?)

"I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"

http://www.metrolyrics.com/misunderstood-lyrics-common.html

That's from Finding Forever, which was released WAYYYY before The Carter III.

Oh god, you really killed it. WAYNE is such a GREAT MC, amirite?!

Add this to reasons of /thread

 

Lil Wayne is garbage

he's sadly as much Pop as Rap.

after listening to people like Big L, Immortal Technique, Nas, it's painfully obvious.
all style, NO substance. at all

I like his punchlines , but punchlines can only get you so far, and plus similes become redundant after a while. you can only put a few here and there.
much of his music is just..incoherent. good production on some of his music though.

does he have potential? yes. he actually rapped about concepts when he was younger. while he wasn't an acclaimed MC, he was definitely on the right track.

but the creative juice will only last so long for sell outs.

if only he would try to spend a good chunk of a year on an album; try and put out a classic album.

he can't do what he did with the Carter 3 though, its like he just got a bunch of random songs and went like "hey, rich white teenagers who indulge in regurgitated trends will definitely pay money for this."

hopefully it's a phase and he can actually make MUSIC some day, but I doubt that.

dude, Makaveli you said that ALL subject matter is used and its impossible to think of new stuff.

then why did Tupac continue to put out fresh music, Eminem, Nas, etc??

they rapped ESOTERICALLY. look up that word and see what separates REAL hip hop and that bullshit Lil Wayne writes.
when you rap your reality, subject matter is endless. because your reality is simply YOUR opinion. opinions never cease to change, through that, life is revealed in its infinite form.

 

my bad, I didn't have to post that, beatnick, PurpByThePound and ProggyMan pretty much proved what needed to be proved.

 

Listen carefully to what you're saying because all three of those guys rap about the same stuff, in general. Yes, I like all three artists, and I think Eminem is the first from our generation to lock himself in as one of the greats of our time. However Nas is very adamant about exposing the flaws in the logic of young black people. Pac was very socially conscious, but tended to be repetitive in the area of subject matter.

Eminem put out two full albums about his life before he became socially aware, and while I will say he's my favorite artist of all time, he raps about not being the best a lot and does a lot of disses. Of course it'll keep being fresh when you're constantly raping different artists verbally, but the concept is still the same.

Conceptually there aren't very many rappers who aren't atleast somewhat limited or repetitive. Even the greats.

And I still don't understand how somebody can find "no substance" to be a proper description of the Carter III.

While there are one, maybe two, pop songs on the cd, the CD vastly varies from track to track. Hence its originality. How many CD's do you buy where half the tracks are different beats but all the same tempo and rhythm?

The Carter I and Carter II were rather like that. Especially the Carter I because it was produced by the WAY over hyped Mannie Fresh. This one stands alone as far as originality and going away from the proven and true.

 

The Blueprint was garbage on top of garbage.

The Marshall Mathers LP was an amazing release, but by no means was it a classic. Encore trumps it by far, not only on the basis of originality but style as well. The style Em unleashed in Encore was superior to any of the more generic sounds of his first two albums.

Common is just another over hyped "underground" artist who would be called garbage by everybody here if he was on the radio.

 

look, they rap about REALITY and EMOTION. the initial purpose of music in the first place! you're looking too much into wha particular reality it is..theirs, the publics, society, etc.
doesn't take away from the fact that it is damn well reality, and not just trends and lollipops.

if a rapper can change tempos, its not really a good thing.
all it means is you can change tempos...

and I can't believe you're getting at Nas for rapping about the flaws or black youth.

so just ignore them? you fix flaws by acknowledging them.
black youth insists on continuing with their flaws, therefore Nas points them out in hopes of helping them because they don't help themselves.


did you REALLY say that Encore is better than the Marshall Mathers LP.

oh my fucking god. I'm at a loss..

anyway I'll only end up repeating what other people, and I, have already said in this very thread, so just keep listening to Lil Wayne, more power to you.

just don't call him a legend or call shitty ass albums a classic.

if your assessment indicates what I think it does, you're saying that
The Carter 3 > Marshall Mathers LP??

Bwahahahahhahahahhaah!!

 

Just to drive it home a little more, compare:

With all this extra stressin
The question I wonder is after death, after my last breath
When will I finaly get to rest? Through this supression
they punish the people that's askin questions
And those that possess, steal from the ones without possesions
The message I stress: to make it stop study your lessons
Don't settle for less - even the genius asks-es questions
Be grateful for blessings
Don't ever change, keep your essence
The power is in the people and politics we address
Always do your best, don't let the pressure make you panic
And when you get stranded
And things don't go the way you planned it
Dreamin of riches, in a position of makin a difference
Politicians and hypocrites, they don't wanna listen
If I'm insane, it's the fame made a brother change
It wasn't nuttin like the game
It's just me against the world


Yessir!
They cant stop me...even if they stopped me ha ha ha yea

Im on it ooh im on it im so on it and how ever you want it
You can get it tonight hoe
And all night hoe I get the beat from
(Mistro)
A f**kin right hoe
I might go crazy on these niggas I dont give a motherf**k
Run up in a nigga house and shoot his grandmother up what!
What I dont give a motherf**k get cha baby kidnapped
And ya baby motherf**ked
It’s tha Carter 3 bitch better put ya supper up
Hollygrove I throw it up like im tryna lose my gut
F**k is up beat him up like a million uppercuts
Got a million duffeled up for the f**k of it
Shit get on my level you cant get on my level
You would need a spaceshuttle or a ladder thats forever
However im better if now than never
Dont you ever fix ya lips unless you bout to suck my dick
Bitch swallow my words taste my thoughts
And if its too nasty spit it back at me
Two more inches i’da been in that casket
According to the doctor I could of died in traffic
Bounce right back on them bitches like Magic
Abra-cadabra im up like Viagra
I just do this shit for my click like Adam Sandler
I control hip hop and ima keep it on my channel
Watch me!
Bitch watch me!
Bitch watch me!

But they cannot see me like Hitler
Its the New Orleans Nightmare
Money so old its growin white hair
Young Money baby
Yeah we right here
Ima make sure we ball till we fall like tears
And mama dont cry
Ya son can handle his
I got her out the hood and put her in the hills
Yeah when I was fourteen I told my mom we will see better days
And sure enough I got Miss Cita in a better place
When I was fourteen I told my mom we will see better days
And sure enough we did exactly what I say
I told my girl when you f**k me better f**k me good
Cause if another girl could she gon f**k me good
No sittin at the table if you bringin nothin to it
And I get straight to it like its nothin to it
Yea I got game like Stuart…Scott
Fresh out the ESPN shop
And when sports in the poppin
E’ery thang stoppin but you cant fool me I know what you watchin
ME!
You watch me
You watch me
Cause I be
WEE-ZY must see t.v.
C3 nigga thats me
And im me im me
Times three so retreat or suffer defeat
Im back 3 PEAT

 

I REALLY don't understand where you have ANY grounds to say that at all when Jay-Z himself wishes he had the talent of Common. He has said it himself.

 

Yes, I really just said Encore is better than Marshall Mathers LP. I'd venture to say Encore is the best album Em ever put together. I bet you he'd say the same. It feature some of the most complex of any of his lyrics to that point, and was one of the most varying albums he made. It had everything from politics to his life, to complete nonsense. It spoke to you and entertained you.

Encore, though, will be nothing compared to what we'll see when he's gone. If you thought Tupac was making music from the grave, Eminem will have fresh content through the time I'm pushing 50, I'm sure.

Jay Z while he's said he'd like to rhyme like Common also had this to say, on The Black Album,

'Moment of Clarity'

Chorus:

"Thank God for grantin me this moment of clarity
This moment of honesty
The world'll feel my truths
Through my Hard Knock Life time
My Gift and The Curse. . . "

. . .
"I wanna rhyme like Common Sense
(But i did five Mil)
I ain't been rhymin like Common Sense
When your sense got that much in common
And you been hustlin since
Your inception
Fuck perception
Go with what makes sense
Since
I know what i'm up against
We as rappers must decide what's most impor-tant
And i can't help the poor if i'm one of them
So i got rich and gave back
To me that's the win, win"

So say what you will about Jay Z giving Common the nod, because he doubly gives Wayne the nod. Plus Jay Z is just as commercialized, if not more, than Lil Wayne. The chorus was to illustrate that he specifically says that song is how he really feels about it all. Telling you, "So what, I went commercial and sold out to songs like 'Big Pimpin' Spendin' Cheese."

You guys aren't even consistent about what you're saying half the time. Jay Z is great and Wayne is commercial garbage. That's like saying a McDonalds double cheese burger is one of the tastiest things you've ever had, but a regular cheeseburger tastes like monkey ass. It's the same flavored shit. One just has more of the flavored shit than the other.

Encore is a classic, The Carter III is a classic, and you guys are incapable of having a coherent argument. Well..... most of you. Some of you I tip my hat to, and respectfully disagree with.

The rest of you are mentally challenged ass wipes.

 

That's not what he said at all. Jay Z calls himself the best ever. Why would he say somebody else is more skilled?

You are a moron.

Reference my post before this one for what Jay Z said about rhyming like common.

 

Wayne is a different breed of commercial rap...Jay-Z USED to be good. He is now into the same shit that makes Wayne less attractive.

But it still doesn't change who he is and what he has done for hip-hop. He is still the biggest name alive and his input is greatly respected.

Wayne on the other hand, is an up-and-comer, commercial trash from the get-go.

I don't even know what to say, you never even responded to the whole debunking of how "original" and "fresh" Lil Wayne is when he quoted from Common himself.

 

The MM LP is far more entertaining, Em's just not aery good at social commentary...Encore's beats are nothing new either, I can't believe you, sounds no different from anything else Dre's done.

Yeh, love the way they copy and paste his vocal tracks...

Jay is ridiculously overrated, but he's obviously a much more skilled rapper. I don't care much for either.

Ok...The only tracks that aren't typical on Tha Carter is the direction lacking shit that sounds out there for the sake of sounding out there.

Well, this maybe true...

 

I've come to the conclusion that Makaveli Reborn proposes many different arguments in hopes of finding one in which he has the upper hand.

you know what? Tupac died in 96, so if you really are Makaveli Reborn, you can't be more than 12 years old.....which by the way you've been debating (or avoiding debate), makes perfect sense.

 

^lawl

pwned again

 

Kind of sad he rated his own thread too.

 

I'm not the one who started talking about other albums and artists. I just picked up where the conversation left off.

I'm 22 you dumb shit. And I'm not claiming to be Tupac. I do understand why he felt the need to change though.