The Brain is Not the Seat of Consciousness!

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  1. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    You're free to believe what you want,
    until reality kills you.
     
  2. Ooh it's gonna kill me? I'm shakin', I'm shakin'.
     
  3. egger

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    The 'left' and 'right' shoe pair analogy is a local hidden variables (LHV) explanation. Each shoe is programmed locally and retains its value over space and time independent of a measurement. One is 'left' and the other must be 'right', similar to an entangled pair of particles that have a conserved property such as spin where one is up and the other must be down. The fact that one of the shoes being measured at a location as 'left' means that the other at another location must be 'right' isn't profound and it isn't the crux of the issue.

    The problem is that an LHV explanation yields a correlation function between probabilities and measurement angle difference that is linear and doesn't agree with the sinusoidal correlation predicted by QM which has been experimentally verifed many times. Exceptions occur for a few angles where the two agree.

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    It's questionable whether any LHV pre-programmed response profile can be assigned to the particles that yields the same results as those predicted by QM. It forces one to consider if the assumptions used for classical physics are valid, such as locality, realism, free will, non-retrocausality, and measured attributes being independent of the measurement.

    The following article gives a detailed explanation. The thread about Bell's theorem also discusses these issues.


    Quantum Entanglement and Bell's Theorem

    Quantum Entanglement and Bell's Theorem


    Bell's Theorem

    Bell's Theorem
     
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  4. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    “It was the best of times the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of light, it was the season of darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair.” Charles Dickens

    When you can no longer identify that you have identified nothing, you have personal bullshit to deal with, and when Planck begged his colleagues to explain the joke, it was because he knew there was no answer. For over a century now, the cognitive and physical sciences have been turning up evidence that 42 is as good an explanation as anything other, which is turning into a landslide of pie-in-the-face research today, and threatening to start working its way inwards to the other branches of the sciences. Metaphysics are dead, hidden variables are dead, because all the accumulating evidence suggests that logic civilization's crutch. We have come to worship logic and reason in many respects, because they are what have allowed us to make such rapid progress, however, it turns out they are like the outside edge pieces of the puzzle, simply the easiest ones to assemble first.

    Just as quanta being small merely made them easier to examine in the laboratory first.
     
  5. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    THIS JUST IT!

    Scientist can't figure out why electromagnetic WAVE fields exhibit sinusoidal properties!
     
  6. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    Forty-two being as good an explanation as any other, means that we will never have an explanation for half of what is observable. The big bang, will not have an explanation, in fact, we will never be able to determine for sure if it happened. The closer they examine anything, anything whatsoever, the less sense it will make.
     
  7. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    So what's the takeaway? What do we do with this insight?
     
  8. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    If it doesn't make sense then spooky supernatural God is behind it.
    That's the typical superstitious human response.
     
  9. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    The takeaway is that anything we examine in extreme detail will turn out to be tautological and self-contradictory, because 42 really is as good an explanation as any other. Physicists first documented this with uber tiny quanta, merely because they were relatively easy to study in a laboratory. Astronomers are already suggesting much the same thing, that they are increasingly seeing nonsensical results that can't be reconciled. This is starting at the physical and cognitive extremes in the sciences, and working its way inward, and the academics are totally out of their depth with this one.

    The entire way of thinking required to comprehend the fuzzy logic is anathema in their culture. For academics, humor and logic simply don't mix, and many of them cannot distinguish between humor and mysticism.
     
  10. egger

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    Thompson has offered a local realistic model that could account for a sinusoidal-appearing relation between the difference in detector angle and coicindence detection.


    The Chaotic Ball: An Intuitive Analogy for EPR Experiments
    Caroline H Thompson
    Department of Computer Science, University of Wales, Aberystwyth,
    SY23 3DB, U.K.
    (18 November, 1996)

    Format selector for quant-ph/9611037
     
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    The brain is one of the most powerfull things we have ever. But we can not use it fully ( just 10%)... imagine if we could do it.. i suppose we could fly and control other people and more else
     

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