The Black Panthers

you can't just say that all people of one race are the same. You may have had a bad experience with people of a certain race, but not everyone is like that.

ok... for example, I am white (sorta ). So a lot of white people are assholes. But a lot of people of every race are assholes, it has nothing to do with skin. Can somebody say they hate me, or that I am an asshole, because this has been their experience with people the same color skin as me? No, I have no control over other people, you can't blame me for somebody else because we have the same skin color. No matter what color you are, you can't blame a whole race for the actions of some people.

I hope I made sense to you.

 

lover/young_peace

you can't just say that all people of one race are the same. You may have had a bad experience with people of a certain race, but not everyone is like that.

ok... for example, I am white (sorta ). So a lot of white people are assholes. But a lot of people of every race are assholes, it has nothing to do with skin. Can somebody say they hate me, or that I am an asshole, because this has been their experience with people the same color skin as me? No, I have no control over other people, you can't blame me for somebody else because we have the same skin color. No matter what color you are, you can't blame a whole race for the actions of some people.

I hope I made sense to you.


Thats a damn good point.

 

You are only 13 years old so I can understand your position. When I was 13 I thought much the same as you. If you will notice though, the majority of your influence comes by way of that garbage box we call television. MTV is nothing to use as a role model. Nor is the trash that is being called music (i.e. rap, hip hop, etc). The cute little loving black and mexican families with the stupid or racist White "friends" and neighbors. They are not real. Look closely at the programs you watch and see how the Whites are portrayed when in the company of minorities. Notice that they are always portrayed as buffoons or worse.

Majority rules, right? So if the majority of a race is disfuctional and bad, I avoid all of them as much as possible. Besides what is wrong with my choice not to associate? If other races have something to offer and I miss out on that, then so be it. It's my choice.

 

it's cute how you think I watch MTV and listen to hip-hop...

I know this wasn't your point... but it made me laugh anyways.

 

Warrior, You poor thing, you have been brainwashed. Were you in the marines? Your remarks on IQ are incorrect and I will not even go into why, I think enough other people have done that.

What is your ancestry? Were your family originally from another country? everyone in this country is from somewhere else. The difference is that most of our families came because they wanted to rather than being kidnapped and dragged away to be made slaves.

Why don't you just chill out and relax. Use your energy for something positive and try not to spread too much hatred.

A lie told often enough becomes the truth.
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin​

 

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Hatred?????? Ha ha ha, I laugh and I cry. When have I said I hate? When have I shown hatred? I am showing love and defense of my own people - noble qualities in a non-White. Why is that? Why do my entire posts disappear when I make a slightly offensive remark against another, but I am constantly called asshole, motherfucker, etcetera and those post don't even get edited. Which I don't want them to be - I want people to speek freely to me. But what am I to expect on an anti-Christian, anti-pro-White site , that bills itself as a home to free speech! Free Speech is the words that brought me to this site:
Hip Forums free speech forums including music, sex, politics, news, poetry, marijuana, psychedelics, health, fashion, crafts, hippies, classifieds, personals, and more. Category: Chats and Forums > Bulletin Board System (BBS)www.hipforums.com/ - 59k - Cached - More pages from this site

 

Okay, good point.. back on topic.


Since I don't know much.. hm.. let's say.. nothing about the Black Panthers apart from what I read a bit here.. can someone tell me if the movement is still active and if yes, if there's a difference between the one in the sixties and the current one? Because I recon it's the same like with the whole feminist thing, the issues then where probably bigger than they are now?

Ofcourse I could do a google search on this or I could go to the local library.. but I'm trying to get this thread back on topic, so..

 

Yes Velvet they are still in existence and they are still anti-White. Although still heavily armed, they do not "appear" to be as radical. If you did do a search, you might look under Black Panther Party FBI. They are listed as a "hate group" and are political "activist". Thier agenda has not changed much. If you were to search and locate thier supporters you would find that they include a non-Christian religious organization. Sorry, I can not elaborate on who the "non-Christians" are as it might be perceived to be racist or defamatory to a certain religious sect and my post might disappear. I have learned that among liberals I am not permitted certain rights that the constitution guaranteed me, foremost the freedom of speech.

 

okay.. now I'm gonna give everyone here a challenge... *grin*...:


Try to give me information on the bpp (history and present) as neutral as possible.. or, if that's too hard.. step up your soapbox and defend both sides! See it like a game if ya will.. like, I'm a veggie but I could defend eating only meat as well if it was for a 'game'

So.. back on topic and into the 'game'! Who takes the challenge?

 

Good idea, velvet! It's a great way for everybody to look at BOTH sides of the issue. I'm curious as to how folks will think after presenting a viewpoint contrary to their own.

 

Warrior.....or warrior111.....whichever:

Get a life! Every racist comment you utter just uncovers what an inbred white-trash hick you are.

Jamie

 

Hiphopforrespect is right on! (Don't forget the Panthers were the ones that brought sickle-cell enemia testing to the black communities). I was at some of Stokely Carmichael's & Heuy Newton's speeches. Heuy was very strong on community building and protection. Eldridge Cleaver was more the "confrontational Panther".

The Panthers mainly wanted to help black people by filling the void left after Malcom X died. Some Panthers were stricktly for the black race, but many were activists wanting to help people of oppression no matter what race they were... Read Malcom X's stuff, it's very real!

Don't know abt the "White Panthers". I was a member of The Students For A Democratic Society (SDS) and we worked with the Panthers on many occasions.

 

Hi all;
What I remember of the Black Panthers is that they were primarily a media event. There were very few of them really, but the media made them star performers on the news from time to time. What really scared the bejabbers out of white America was that scene when the panthers were marching down the street chanting "The Revolution has co-ome! Time to pick up the Gu-un!" They seemed to be serious though and there were shootouts with the cops in CA and ILL. I think it was Boss Dick Daley that invited the Panthers to a shootout "any time any place!" I don't believe they ever took him up on it. Then there was Eldridge Cleaver going to see the revolutionary countries of the Third World and coming back a card carrying conservative. Then there was Abbie Hoffman calling the Panthers a lot of Male Chauvenist Pigs. Then there was some black lady pol talking about seeing panthers with "white girls draped all over them." Then there was the lady writer who talkied of the party being ovverrun by thugs in the latter days. Interesting times and interesting people and the BPs do deserve a Hollywood movie or two; and I would hope that any such endeavor would look at the whole thing-the good, bad and indifferent. Certainly stirred things up in the media and did make a lasting impression. This "New Black Panther Party" as I understand was started by Malcolm x's son and is an Islamist movement. As such they have about as much to do with the orignial BPs as the man in the moon.
TUndrahopper4

 

stfu..

 

Hi again;
So why did the Black Panthers happen? Well it started off as a neighborhood defense movement in the Black communities of Oakland. Why? Well it seems some police were abusing some of the residents. Now I was thinking of some of some of the psychopathic creep cops we had back in my hometown and a few of these guys were stone cold crazy (jamming shotguns in thirteen year old faces, stealing, beatings...the usual...) . I would guess that the bad cop situation was even worse in the black communities. I think this society can thank the BPs in specific and the sixties in general for the fact that most police Depts in this day and age attempt to screen out psychopathic personalities at the getgo. In this day and age most police departments see it as a good thing that officers are held to account-back then such a suggestion was seen as treasonous. See what some publicity and some billions in legal settlements can do?
Tundrahopper4
PS. Skip's above posting was the best retort to racism I have ever heard!

 

The neutrality of this article is disputed.
Please see the discussion on the talk page. The Black Panther Party (originally called the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense) was a controversial African American civil rights and self-defense organization active within the United States during the 1960s and 1970s. Founded by Huey P. Newton, Bobby Seale, and Richard Aoki in October 1966, the organization initially espoused a doctrine of armed resistance to societal oppression in the interest of African American justice, though its aims and philosophy changed radically throughout the party's existence. While the organization's leaders passionately espoused socialist doctrine, the party's black nationalist reputation attracted an ideologically diverse membership base, such that ideological consensus within the party was difficult to derive, and differing perspectives within the party base often clashed conspicuously with those of its leadership.

The group was founded on the principles of its Ten-Point Program, a document that called for "Land, Bread, Housing, Education, Clothing, Justice And Peace", as well as exemption from military service that would utilize African Americans to "fight and kill other people of color in the world who, like Black people, are being victimized by the White racist government of America."[6]

While firmly grounded in black nationalism, and begun as an organization that accepted African American membership exclusively[7], the party reconsidered itself as it grew to national prominence and became an iconic representative of the counterculture revolutions of the 1960s. The Black Panthers ultimately condemned black nationalism as "black racism"[1], and became more focused on socialism without exclusivity, instituting a variety of community programs to alleviate poverty and illness among the communities they deemed most needful of aid, or most neglected by the American government. While the Party retained its all-black membership, they recognized that different communities (those they deemed oppressed by the American government) needed to organize around their own set of issues and encouraged alliances with these organizations.

The group's political goals are often overshadowed by their confrontational and even militaristic tactics[8], and their suspicious regard of law enforcement agents, whom the Black Panthers perceived as a linchpin of oppression that could only be overcome by a willingness to take up armed self-defense.

The Black Panther Party fell apart in the early 1970s. There have been a variety of allegations as to the lengths to which law enforcement went in its attempts to discredit and destroy the organization, including allegations of assassination

 

Jaha;
Fred Hampton was the name of the Black Panther assassinated by the Chicago Police; http://chicago.about.com/od/government/a/031206_Hampton.htm
I remember seeing posters about it at the University back in '70. So to what degree were the Panthers involved in the Police shootings in Chicago back then and to what degree were the Panthers getting the blame for the doings of others? Still an open question. For certain the BP's media presence made them identifiable targets. Then to what degree can the demise of the BPs be attributed to Federal agencies infilitrating spies and provocateurs into it's ranks? Another open question. If the Panthers came to be ovverrun with thugs, black racists and crazies as some have said to what degree was this the doing of the Feds? Perhaps we will never know. For certain the qualities that first made the organization worthy of admiration were gone by the seventies. What is needed is a well researched book on the subject and it should be done soon what with all the original participants reaching old age.
tundrahopper4

 

First they discovered they could carry weapons.Then they made a lot of money selling little red books to straight america.Did some good around oakland but mostly made a lot of noise.