The big question..

I COMPLETELY disagree with your statement about percieving the universe. That doesn't say anything. We previously had no knowledge nor did we care about gaining knowledge of the universe. Actually, it doesn't even matter if we new their was something past the blue sky.

 

That's fine You'll come to realise one day, nothing I can say can persuade you to believe me because what I say is objective, you can only find the truth from inside your self. Only you can wake yourself up from this dream

be happy.

 

Hey kaminoishiki,

Can i ask, was it painful coming to this awareness, emotionally i mean ... in terms of letting go of your soley human life that once was or could have been?

If your body was to die, would you, as conciousness still exist without a body?

What kind of relationship do you now have with your body? I mean do you see it as something to be cherished and looked after?

How has your personality changed? Do you still seek human love and relationships in a physical sense?

Thanks

 

I'll be happy to answer your questions
I wouldn't say it was painful, coming to this awareness, it's quite exciting actually.The 9/10s of the life that my false self could not have been have been unlocked for me to explore. There is a feeling of loss inside, the feeling that ive wasted quite alot of this life going down one singular path, it's something that i'm going to make up for though.

As consciousness, we all exist as oneness, there is no feeling of the singular 'I am' anymore, because it's now 'We are.' Consciousness exists in every human, so as long as humans exist consciousness can manifest in this form too, therefore we are (potentially)infinite.

I think this body can be stretched to it's limits now, because there is no fear of death, there are no worries, the material world of the false self is dissolving. I am still going through this process, still learning.

I see love in every human, there is a huge feeling of well - being and happiness inside, I seem to be feeling this every day now, I see everybody as oneness, so you could say that my love for others in a physical sense is dissolving too, and being replaced by an overall love for everybody. My feelings of needing to be attatched to one other person , to bring about happiness are also dissapearing (because we are all universally attatched). The personality of the false self is truly dissolving, my friends have noticed, and this has happened quickly. I don't know how those friends will treat me when I have fully shed the false self, they may alienate me, but it truly doesn't matter, because I'd love them anyway.

I feel so incredibly happy, just a feeling of pure happiness inside of me, all of the walls that separate people from each other have been removed in my eyes, because they never truly existed in the first place. I can see each and every person as one and the same, all human traits of separation (gender, race, creed, age, stereotype) are dissapearing, it's an amazing feeling.

I feel like I want to show others how to come to this realisation, however, I'm refraining from doing this until I have come to total oneness, I have to have taught myself in order to teach others, so to speak.

By dissolving the false self there is only selflessness , I'm urged to love everybody and help them out, both physically and spiritually. I feel euphoric, I think it really has to be experienced to be understood. I hope you can understand a little bit though if not, it doesn't matter. I believe everybody will eventually start looking for themselves on their ride through life, so just enjoy it and be happy

 

Thanks for your answers, ...and i have a smile on my face because you've said pretty mutch what i thought you'd say.
It's heart warming, it really is. Whan i was 27 i was pretty mutch where you are at now ...such a universal understanding of what is and who we all are, but as you may have gathered from ganja princes thread, i had a really traumatic time back then and ultimately with the use of ecstacy, i feel i 'went up' or expanded in awareness too fast and that had it's own problems in that i wasn't able to maintain that awareness ... lingering self doubt, lets say. However i know i need not fear whatever happens.

You are so blessed (for want of a better word) to be so young and to have had a fairly smooth ride with it all .... I can only hope that with all my highs and lows (mainly lows) that i can glean some wisdom from it all ultimately. There's alot going on with me right now and i sit it out trying not to resist whatever comes my way. Things ARE, however a little difficult right now.



Oh, P.S. ...trust me, your friends won't desert you! ...although they may simply move on to other things.

 

I don't understand what makes you right and me wrong...

I mean, you have a chance of being right, just like we all do, but the odds are against you my friend.

 

This statement is utterly rediculous, how can you make sense of what you say?

Oh how flip sided reality is on this world, how the fuck did this happen.

 

Think of perception as a light bulb on a circuit. The light bulb illuminates the world around us, allows us to interpret the things we see , therefore our 'reality' is created. However, there is a switch in the circuit, consciousness. Consciousness needs to be switched on in order for us to be able to perceive things, if consciousness is switched off, the circuit is broken, so 'reality' cannot exist either. I don't dispute the likelihood that the universe was created over billions and billions of years ago, probably in the big bang, however, we can't perceive the universe if we are not conscious of it..

I hope you can understand a little more.

 

I think it's important to remember that there are/have been, throughout history, many billions of humans who feel/have felt they can perceive reality beyond the physical world. Much more often than not, their concepts contradict one another. Some of these people are curious and humble in their search for truth and meaning, while others give off an air of smugness - devoid of humility.

My main concern (I have several) is that it seems the more passionate and absolute the person's belief are, the more willing they are to harm others in response to what they might perceive as messages from magical sources.

This is fact, not speculation. Look into the history of assault and murder perpetrated by psychotic assailants. If you aren't already aware, you may find it chilling that a majority of these neurologically-impaired attackers felt they held some truth from other-worldly sources.

I am NOT saying that kaminoishiki necessarily has the potential of fitting into this category. As an agnostic, I accept that he may be one of the ones who REALLY found the spiritual/mystical truths of human life on Earth. However, at this point, I remain undecided (and skeptical) on the matter.

With love and respect,
Aldousage

 

I do understand what you are saying. If i appear to be arrogant or smug in anyway then please forgive this because it is an error I am making, i'm still in the process of dissovling the false self, my views are as a collective whole- everyone of us as consciousness, I removed the feeling of destiny and importance of the individual false self, and only refer to I as universal consciousness, therefore there is no ego inflation involved. I don't receive messages from magical sources, only from inside which I perceived to be higher consciousness trying to break through the veil, which is why I was seeking the question to 'who am I?' in the first place.
I would never hurt anybody intentionally with my beliefs, all forms of negativity within have dissapeared, I only feel love for others ,because everybody is connected. The awareness of the false self is dissolving now because it was never there to begin with, so my attatchments to the material world too are dissolving. I haven't grasped this feeling and claimed it as my own, i'm simply experienceing it, I believe everyone will experience it in some form or another at some point in their lives.

I'm a little tired so If I don't make much sense I apologise.

 

I don't understand how you don't...

 

You're saying in the beginning there was no knowledge and no one cared or even knew. This is simply not true as knowledge wouldn't be in existence today, if this was so.

 

Well, what I know about cavemen is little, but I've never heard of them ever having anything to do with astronomy. Which if that is true, kamin's statement is wrong.

 

the answer to your question: nothing.

our brains control everything, and once that is dead, so is our life. we dont live anymore after that. simple as that...

any of that religious crap just seems like total bull. lol. not logical enough for me to believe...

 

You're not reading what i'm saying properly. Consciousness and the universe act in unison. Without one the other would not 'exist' in reality. Without the universe Earth could never have become, life would never have existed and man would never have evolved from apes into what they are today. However, without Consciousness, the universe could not be perceived. The awareness of consciousness allows us to see the world and know it as the world, without that there is simply no perception. Think of consciousness as a switch that allows the universe to flow through it. Your consciousness (that is, you) and the world around you are acting in perfect unison in order to create the reality that you currently exist in. The universe is (probably) infinite, as is consciousness in each body that it manifests into.

I aplogise if it doesnt quite make much sense , my mind's a bit cloudy just right now. Disregard anything I say if it doesn't resonate with you.

 

Except, No, it really isn't as simple as that. It's not religious crap, it's spiritual, it's YOUR OWN CRAP.

 

spiritual crap equals just as much nonsense as religious crap.

 

So are you going to tell me all the experiences I've had that have proved "god" to me, is bullshit?

 

So you're pretty much saying if a tree falls in the woods no one can hear it....

 

i'm going to have to say you're delusional.
or take it easy with them drugs.