The bible does not condemn alcohol

Only drunkenness, so drinking in moderation is ok according to the bible.


Sounds good

 

Jesus first miracle was turning water into wine and here is the account as recorded in John


When the wine ran short, the mother of Jesus said to him: “They have no wine.” But Jesus said to her: “Woman, why is that of concern to me and to you? My hour has not yet come.” His mother said to those serving: “Do whatever he tells you.” Now there were six stone water jars sitting there as required by the purification rules of the Jews, each able to hold two or three liquid measures. Jesus said to them: “Fill the jars with water.” So they filled them to the brim. Then he said to them: “Now draw some out and take it to the director of the feast.” So they took it. When the director of the feast tasted the water that had now been turned into wine, not knowing where it came from (although the servants who had drawn out the water knew), the director of the feast called the bridegroom and said to him: “Everyone else puts out the fine wine first, and when people are intoxicated, the inferior. You have saved the fine wine until now.” Jesus did this in Ca′na of Gal′i·lee as the beginning of his signs, and he made his glory manifest, and his disciples put their faith in him.

 

Thank god.

 

Almost 700L to be precise.

 

:cheers2::cheers2:

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It doesn't condemn pot either...

 

You must not have met too many Southern Baptist rationalizers. They have a million and one excuses for explaining the stories away. The wine must not have had anywhere near as much alcohol as modern wine, or it was miraculous alcohol that had no intoxicating power, or the word was mistranslated, and it was only grape juice. Jesus wouldn't create alcohol or encourage anyone to drink alcohol because the Bible says we shouldn't do evil, and the conscience that God put in every right thinking persons tells us that drinking is evil. They believe that drinkers from other, more liberal church denominations are ignoring their innate sense of right and wrong, having been corrupted by the world.


I've known lots of Christians in the South, especially the older generations, that considered total abstinence from alcohol to be the cornerstone of the Christian life. Forget the poor, forget justice, forgiveness, and charity. Just stop drinking. All the rest is a higher level of faith.

You can't reason with those people. You may has well try to have a rational debate with a tree.

 

... or base coke.

 

How do you know? YOU can't reason with those people Maybe I could :bobby:

 

I'd pay a small amount of money to watch you attempt it.

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And I'd bet a large amount of money against Asmo.

We'd come out WAY ahead.

 

Hope you don't pay to see me convince them to think otherwise as being able to reason with eachother does not necessarily means getting on the same page.

 

:rofl: You have no idea. The video could be a comedy gold mine.

 

The Bible doesn't condemn anything we can consume, it actually holds that no thing is evil or good in and of itself. It stresses moderation in all things.

Further it is asinine to try and explain away the wine as being non-alcoholic especially in an area/time when it was more risky and potentially deadly to drink water.
Fermented beverages were the mainstay drink for countless eons because it was usually safer than the water that was available.

It does speak about drug use though; the majority of the uses of the term "sorcery" in the New Testament are translated from the Greek, Pharmokia or something like that and it refers to psychoactive drug usage.

 

That was really Welch's grape juice. That's why the Baptists and Presbyterians use it in their communion services. As the man said:"You have saved the best grape juice until now."

 

Did you know that Pope John Paul II officially declared that the earth moves around the sun (and not vice versa) in 1992.

It took them over three centuries to admit Galileo was right.

 

Oh yeah, I forgot that one. Another SB rationalization is that ancient people get a free pass on alcohol that we don't get now, because of medical reasons. They have an answer for everything, having dealt with every possible objection to their position for decades.
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Thou shall try thy hardest not to procure or consume bunk sorcery.

 

yea there doesn't seem to be anything in the bible against drinking alcohol. although many hardcore christians seem to be against it.

leviticus 10:9 says

The LORD then spoke to Aaron, saying, 9"Do not drink wine or strong drink, neither you nor your sons with you, when you come into the tent of meeting, so that you will not die-- it is a perpetual statute throughout your generations-- 10and so as to make a distinction between the holy and the profane, and between the unclean and the clean,

so obviously there was a distinction for times when the priests in the old covenant should not drink alcohol. so then there must have been times when they were drinking alcohol. which means that probably aaron himself or even moses was drunk at some time.

luke 7:34 says

The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.' Yet wisdom is vindicated by her children.

so perhaps Jesus drank alcohol too? and He was a man without sin.

when Jesus said this he was speaking to the pharisees who accused Him of being a drunkard. so perhaps many modern christians have become pharisaic in their beliefs about alcohol?

proverbs 31:6 says

Give strong drink to the one who is perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress;