The Being of Thought

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Mountain Valley Wolf, Oct 2, 2013.

  1. thedope

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    I read him easily even as it has only been in passing.
     
  2. Mountain Valley Wolf

    Mountain Valley Wolf Senior Member

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    Don't worry---I know you, thedope. I knew you didn't mean this in a religious sense, but a purely subjective sense. That is why I thought 'self interest' would be a better choice of words. I wasn't sure if Anaximenes saw that or not, and how others would interpret it, so I commented as I did for everyone.




    Yes this is interesting, and I agree. Again, for everyone, I too think that being is good---but it is not the objective good of religion, it is not even the absolute good of Hegel, it is a good that is a good in itself. When we use the term good, we interpret it in an existential framework of a human-based value judgement. But how can we as little tiny bacterium in a minute corner of the Milky Way galaxy, which is a minute corner of the known universe, ever truly know what good is? We can only know what good is for ourselves, which ultimately, no matter how objective we try to make it (and say that this is the absolute good, or this is the universal good) in its still only subjective in nature. So when I say being is good, I simply mean it is good because it is. It is completely without judgement, and it does not validate any religious value system. (Yes I can see the disagreement here---how can it be good, if there is nothing to judge it against...?)

    I am an essentialist. I see essence as the ground of being---though the Platonic concept of essence is naive, so not exactly in that sense. But I like the idea of comparing Will to properties of matter. I will have to play with that idea.

    Yes we all live. But a justice, court, and penal system that victimizes individuals for profit, and steps over rights and liberties in the name of the law without sufficient proof that a law has been broken, and ignoring evidence to the contrary, is a broken system. And I am taking up the fight to change that.
     
  3. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    when being casual i'll describe Essence as magical . it's what's
    in your magic bowl . in feeling , it is transformational . then more
    exactly essence is the part of transformational substance that
    does not change and is yet inseparable from it , thus inseparable from
    transformation (or evolution) .. zero change seems not very magical .

    what's held in your magic bowl ? another bowl perhaps . very
    mysterious !
     
  4. Anaximenes

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    Did you ever think of Nietzsche the tarantulistic terrorist by the human experiment about evolution God pre-designed for him? And the randomness principle of control on the testing of a living organism is all about checking the credit rating of various employed people.

    Testing plants on the other hand is only to look into their DNA nowadays.:mickey:

    Back to Aristotle. The ethics for doing Good is all about organizing to personal vs. impersonal externally designed structure. Structure exists by the purpose in looking for Good; primarily it is understanding human nature in a rational idea.
     
  5. Mountain Valley Wolf

    Mountain Valley Wolf Senior Member

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    Yes---that is good. The self-identity is part of that self-awareness that Sartre said is always a precondition to conscious awareness, expanding it to more than just an awareness of a thing. And of course I could see this in terms of essence and if you take into consideration the Heisenberg Uncertainty Pricnipal, and implications of the double split experiment, that this self-identity is a process of coming to be in an (do I dare say) animistic universe. [/QUOTE]


    Because I am a rebel! A radical rebel! Without Nietzsche you couldn't go into a Starbucks, and sit in one of the nice comfortable chairs in the corner, near the preacher who is going over Bible lessons with a group of teenagers, and pull out Nietzsche's Beyond Good or Evil (or better yet, The Antichrist), and hold it up high as you read it, openly displaying the author and title. And then continuously clear your throat as you read from it (or at least pretend to read from it). ...Oh yes, and occasionally remark to your self, 'Of course!' 'Amazing!' or 'he is so right!' or 'Genius!!'

    I'm joking... ...or am I?

    Seriously, Nietzsche is not the first choice to turn to in a discussion about the being of thought, or consciousness. I see your point on that.
     

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