The Being of Thought

I think the mind comes from the soul which is nonphysical in nature and forms forms or ideas to expand THE ALL. As above, so below. These forms materialize.

 

That's right. The Greek word for form (as in the Platonic form) is the same word we get idea from.

I actually think mind, soul, and spirit are all the same thing----and it is non-physical. The form is the essence.

 

Although I'm not a gross materialist,my thoughts here are is that if something isn't physical,it doesn't exist,by definition.Phenomena require physical constituent parts in order to have appearance,be that appearance in mind or appearance TO mind.Thought is the holistic emergent quality of cerebral matter.It must be,because if you were to liquidize my brain,for example,my thought-forms would certainly cease to exist,here,there or anywhere.Do we have problems if we consider an ant's consciousness in light of this? It is not so hard to see the ant as a purely mechanistic creature,guided by largely instinctual impulses,requiring no supra-physical agent in order to function.Granted,it is hard to imagine thoughts as physical in themselves,as they appear so intangible and nebulous,but they are certainly the operative result of the physical interactions.It is just that this is as yet imperceptible to observable scientific enquiry...How can we objectively observe the phenomenon of our minds WITH our minds without getting into an infinite regress.

 

We casually as well as ultimately are the only measure.
We share our thoughts. A thought form is a symbolically represented sensation. I think physical/non-physical, living/not living, self/other are false dichotomies describing a single event called reality.

Reality consists of vibration and luminosity in spectrally arranged redundancy, oscillation, wave, or reverberation. A microcosmic demonstration is our breath.
We breath in, pause, breath out, pause at varying cycles per minute. Matter has the properties of absorption, reflection, and polarity. There is a kind of slack tide between cycling high and low or absorption and reflection and the reversal of flow is change in polarity.

In terms of time and space the slack tide appears a winking out, the emerging current that we see is series of consecutive freeze frames, particulate fallout of a wave, each frame a singular creation or new moment. Moments that are strung together like a film movie giving us the sensation of linear progression or eventful time. Time becomes eventful when we consciously have the opportunity to alter polarity in the pauses and subsequent changes in breath patterns.

 

Without getting into definition of terms I would say impressionistically that we are able to see a particular hue by virtue of a prism or we behold the quality of a candle in the sun by casting a shadow and form is a kind of sooty residue of metabolic apprehension. We see only the past and anticipate a future that is fundamentally affected in this moment. Fundamentals being thought waves.

 

i don't think .

You think so ?

i do not as i will to not do as i .

 

so winkle

 

beings of thought is what we all are. bodies we occupy.

 

now there's a thought
now there's a pure thought that which is in motion ( un-posessed ) / awinkle

 

I regard body as biological communication/calibration device and animus animates animal. Magnanimous intent to be analogous to gravity, we are spirit meaning breath, respiring, aspiring, conspiring through our space suit.

 

Yes---I agree with you both. But I see our mind as actually shaping through out our lives who we are---not just who we are as an ego definition within our individual psyches, but literally who we are including as a physical individual: our physical bodies and its physical assets, deformities and even impediments.

I see the mind, our individual minds, as a multidimensional entity, and the physical body is only the manifestation of that mind within the 3 dimensions. It is the action of our ego to keep us aware of only the physical aspects of our reality--otherwise, we don't really have a reason to be here.






My wife has a vagina for example, and I am glad that her mind provided that as an asset---I don't know about other women but at least in her case... (I'M JOKING!)

(No honey I'm not joking. I don't know if other women have vaginas... ...Honey seriously it was a joke that I was joking... ...No! I don't know who's phone number that is! How would I know if she has a vagina?! Honey...! ...No I'm not joking that I was joking that I was joking. I was only joking that I was joking... No its a joke... What? That I was joking that I was joking that I was joking! No! I mean I am joking that I was joking that I was joking that I was joking! ...No wait...)

 

Very good points Fairlight---and the last one of an infinite regress has been haunting philosophy for centuries.

However I would argue that we are surrounded by non-existence, and that our awareness, our existence, and even our present are dependent upon this non-existence (and recently I did argue this in a thread started by Themax called, This thing some people call God---so if you want to see more on this, I would suggest my comments there----but it is the subject of a book I am writing and I am currently rewriting the whole chapter that deals with this issue, (inspired by that thread to fix up that chapter), which I could probably share). By non-existence I am speaking of not having physical existence, i.e existence within our 3 dimensions as perceived in the present. And that which exists all around us but does not have physical existence, is light.

What makes light physical is that we perceive a continuous stream of it. But if you break it down into a single wave/particle, according to the Theory of Relativity it represents zero-mass, zero-time. This does not mean that as a wave it represents zero-mass, and as a particle it is zero-time, or some such thing, it means that as a physical particle it has no mass, and does not experience time as we do, and the same is true as a wave.

Another strange quality of light is that the speed of light is the only constant speed in the universe. The speed of motion is always relative---if you watch people playing ball on a passing train, the ball travels back and forth at the same speed for the people on the train. But for you it travels faster when it is thrown to the person in the direction to the front of the train and slower when it is thrown to the person in the direction of the back of the train. It moves faster in one direction, and slower in the other by the speed of the train. But light is always constant. You can travel all the way up to the speed of light, and you will still experience light traveling to you at the speed of light. The faster you go the more time will slow, compared to your friends that are not moving, but you both will experience light moving at the speed of light.

Because light is the only constant it is true time--it is the speed of time. So, if light does not actually exist in our physical universe, where does it exist? In the 4th dimension.

Because we exist at sub-light speeds in the ever-present now, and are thus trapped physically in time, we see the universe in concrete physical terms. The theory of relativity tells us that light does not exist in this manner--it is timeless which means that it simultaneously exists at its moment of creation (or at least the creation of this universe, if not before) and its final point of existence (at least the death of this universe, if not longer), and simultaneously at all points in between. The whole birth, life, and death of the universe is one single infinitely small flash---a single simultaneous instant that takes zero time.

In sub-light terms of our physical universe, I am saying that there is only 1 true moment of Now--a moment the size of one photon of light. Or we could put it in these terms---there is a point in space-time that is part of a matrix of a single space-time point of Now, the size of which is the volume of space-time of 1 photon---that matrix is the Now. Any photon in front of it is the past, and any photon in back of it is the future. I refer to this in subjective human terms as: that matrix of single photons (representing that same volume of space-time) that is 'simultaneously' entering the event horizon (yes--I am using this term a bit liberally) of each atom within each vision cell within the eyes of each observer that will induce the sense of vision as that single point of Now. I say this because ultimately, the only knowledge we have of existence is through perception. Our only experience of reality is existential. I also speak of a matrix rather than a single point because we are not speaking here in terms of 3 dimensions, but a 4th dimension in directions other than the 3 (up-down, left-right, front-back). After all, you and I experience the same Now, but you are in a different location in space-time than I am, and therefore your Now would represent photons that are still in my future, past, or completely out of time for me.

Since we are living in a physical universe at a sub-light speed, we experience and understand the universe in terms of presence, an ongoing now, and an experience of time. In our perception therefore, it takes .0000000001 of a second for a photon to be absorbed into an atom, and an atom to subsequently generate a photo-electron. But by the time that photon is absorbed, and certainly by the time that photo-electron is emitted, the Now of that photon is long gone. Therefore we cannot measure this in terms of perception, not even in terms of absorption--it is literally the volume of space time of one photon entering the event horizon of that atom--literally the infinitely small moment that initiates perception. Space-time requires two coordinates, one representing the volume of space (i.e. mass), the other time. Therefore we could say that the volume of one point of space-time is for space, zero, and time, zero. After all, what is infinitely small really, but non-existent.

Sure---we experience photons as existing, because that is the only way we can understand it in physical terms. We can say that a photon has been traveling through space from a galaxy 400 Million light years away, for 400 Million years, and it just now hit the recording device in the lens of the Hubble Telescope. But for all those 400 Million years, it was in our future. And from now until the end of time, that photon is in our past (and remember in terms of the photon all of this time and all of the rest is only an infinitely small instant).

All that is physical is the Now, and several physicists in recent years have reworked Newton's law of motion to show that mass itself is actually an illusion. If their theory is correct, and the math works out beautifully---mass, i.e. physical existence, is nothing more than light particles trapped by the zero-point field (i.e. the universe, which is really nothing more than, again, light energy). All physical particles (which have an uncanny way of showing that they too act like light, and are not as physical as we believe them to be), are in the end, nothing more than light. But when we say that it is trapped light, it does not mean that it is light that is literally held in place, or that has stopped moving, it means that it is light that is jittering back and forth, still at the speed of light, but in a limited area which collectively creates the phenomena of mass. Therefore, everything is moving at the speed of of time, and everything is in fact based on something which exists in a non-physical dimension---which is another way of saying that it is non-physical.

That's right. My own feeling is that thought is non-physical in the same sense that light is non-physical-----again, it is our ego that keeps us trapped in this moment of Now. In truth we are all multidimensional beings and physical time is only our conscious reality.

Form or essence is perhaps the result of a higher form of consciousness, which gives shape to that light which we perceive of as mass.

 

I don't see individual minds but a fractal and spectrally arranged membrane, like a compound eye. Our bodies are specie, common metabolic currency seeming separate by virtue of the apparent physical separation of bodies but separate bodies represent many copies or probable iterations of the same body.
I do agree that the moment we become tonally arranged around a concept such as iguana the quantum propagation of iguana begins via large oscillation or the spinning off of probability in concentric waves.

 

the soul trapped in a body ? you , spirit , have constructed your
own body ? well go ahead and be self-possessed if you want , other-
wisely there is some space to explore and some creatures of light
to encounter . but that is a quiet affair . thought as identity is too
noisy and busy with dictating reality . ' I who behold Creation ' is noisy ,
clanging , clinging .

 

I show up upon reflection

 

Did I say trapped? If so that is not how I meant it. I see the physical body as a physical manifestation of the soul----as you say----I believe our own mind, spirit, soul, whatever you want to call it----creates our own body.

 

I think it interesting how people who do their own investigation develop a special vocabulary to describe their landscape. I think these different vernaculars are important to reach mind of certain inclination, that is one size doesn't fit all but there is a shoe for everyone.

 

Will to Power and Will to Thought are one and the same.The single celled organism shows this divine spark of life.We are all on a continuum of that.That is,evolution is teleological,not just blind random selection,and like plants we etiolate towards the light,to become the way that the universe comes to observe itself.Life is precious and not without virtue.

 

I would extend that continuum, will to power, to include the density of a stone.