The Abortion debate is so simple.

If it were so simple, it wouldn't be debated.
I'm pro-choice.

 

it should be the womyns choice she's the one who will have to carry the baby, feed the baby, and take care of the baby till its 18

 

It is simple if you are intelligent.

 

I suppose you're implying you're intelligent....and I'm not?
Like I said....if the argument were simple, it wouldn't be a debate.

 

lol im new so i thought id bump this nd say hi to every lol

 

I've never really been able to side up with the issue. I can understand both sides but I do have a prolife leaning. It's kind of the whole "my right to swing my fist ends when it reaches your nose". I guess I just don't see it as a fetus, I see it as a person with tons of potential. I mean, what if the baby aborted yesterday could have grown to be the person who cured cancer, AIDS, or brought about world peace? It's not like it chose to be conceived? But I do understand women who could die in pregnancy or became pregnant because of rape or incest, but the fact does remain that a small percentage of abortions are because of those reasons. I think to a certain extent it's used as a form of birthcontrol and I don't think that's right. I think that a lot of unplanned pregnancies (that lead to abortion) could be prevented if we took certain measures. I don't agree with schools teaching abstinence and not safe sex. Teens are going to have sex, bottomline. I used to peer mentor an eighth-grader who was pregnant. She really didn't know HOW she got pregnant (because her boyfriend pulled out). They don't tell young girls that they can still get pregnant that way.

I respect everyones' beliefs, I just thought I should had my two cents!

 

I'd also like to add something.
For people who are prolife, do you believe in the death penalty.
And for people who are prochoice, do you believe the death penalty is wrong?

It's something that I've always kind of wondered, because most prolifers I know agree with the death penalty and the prochoicers I know think that its wrong and that's always seemed like an oxymoron to me.

Also, some interesting info: the first feminist (i.e. Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, etc) were against abortion, but they blamed men who couldn't keep it in their pants for basically forcing women into abortions.

 

I am pro-choice and I tend to lean against the death penalty and most war situations, to answer your question.

The reason? I care much more about a fully grown human being with hopes and dreams and a family and pain neurons than I do about a clump of cells that, while it may have the POTENTIAL to have all that, does not possess it yet. Heck, I value my dog more than I value that, because my dog dreams, cries, begs, pouts, and wags his little doggie butt with joy, and a newly created zygote has no emotion, no ability to feel physical pain, nada.
Now, if we're talking about later-term abortions (right around 6 months is when it becomes aware of its surroundings and truly DOES have the ability to feel pain), I've got a problem. I couldn't go through with a late-term abortion, knowing that what I terminated felt it. But before it feels pain? It's a blob, people. A blob with DNA, but a blob nonetheless.
The reason, then, that I'm pro-choice and often anti-war, anti-death penalty is that I don't see a zygote as true life in the first place. It is technically "alive," but so is a plant. It has no brain, no awareness, and despite the propoganda spewed by certain pro-life organisations, it has absolutely no self-awareness. It does not let out a soulful cry of anguish when it is terminated.
Let the emotional garbage-rage of the pro-life come raining down on me...I know it's coming...

 

well a fetus could not live on it's own;therefore, it's part of the woman's body. women own their bodies. end of debate!

 

I worked with a woman that hated her children, sold sex, did drugs, left her babies with her parents, and bragged about it.

It sickened me when she said, "Oh well, If I get pregnant again I'll just have an abortion," like it was birth control!! It was sick, but she was so damn nice to me it fucked with me!! Like I wanted to be nice to her, bc I appreciate a kind soul or a soul doing kindness towards me, but she made me so sick inside when she casually talked about hating her children, fucking all these guys and doing all these drugs while her babies sat at home. I could hardly hold my lunch down!!

But anyways it made me think. Should people who use abortion that lightly be morally punished, by us or by "god". Or should sicko's like her abbort, so she doesn't raise future parollee's, aka gang babies, from her horrible parenting?

It's a hard call. Some people get abortions bc they're too young to handle it (at a young age someone saying don't have sex is laughable), drug addicts, rape or insect victims, whatever. The truth is morality for the most part is revelent. What one society or country views as appropriate, either religiously or morally, varries. I'm not so sure there is a right answer.

Personally now I would have a baby and love him or her with all of my heart, as unplanned as they were. But at 16 I would of wanted to abort.

 

I'm skepitcal of anyone who claims that any argument is "simple." Life is almost never black and white.

I'm a little on the fence. I'd say I'm pro-choice, but only because I believe it should be legal in the case of rape, and if you think that, you have to make it legal in every case. Saying, "It should be banned, except in cases of rape, incest, blah, blah, blah..." is really easy to say, but how are you going to implement it? That would mean that the woman would have to prove that she were raped, which would take months, during which time the baby is growing.

On the other hand, it's not "a bunch of cells" until 6 months gestation. It has a HEARTBEAT at 4 weeks for chrissakes. That's not a blob. Anyone who would say that obviously has never studied embryology. And really, we have no real data on fetal pain. However, one could assume that it develops gradually...Do you really think it goes from being totally numb to fully sensitized in an instant? There's no way to tell when it actually feels pain, but from the time it develops a heartbeat (1 month) it is possible to detect fetal distress, which is essentially the same thing as pain.

I think the debate is less about pain and more about when a fetus develops a consciousness...but then again, newborn babies don't really seem to be self-aware most of the time, and they also don't have a memory. Should we be able to kill them on the grounds that they have no sense of being alive?

You can debate abortion till the cows come home, but it's rediculous to claim it's a simple debate.

 

No one can own a human body. You have control over your own body and no one else's, no matter what a bunch of numbskulls thinks.

You have control over your own body. Everything done with it is up to you.

 

like i tell everyone who questions this whole subject in any way....as a woman who is childless and who has had 2 miscarriages, abortion seems very appalling. Just my own opinion

 

I'm sorry to say, but the reality is: women DO NOT own their own bodies.



If women owned their bodies, the medical community would not be able to limit what treatments are permitted - a woman with a health concern could choose her course of treatment without having to rely on doctors' perscriptions and orders.

If women owned their bodies, there could be no laws restricting recreational drug use - clearly an activity involving only a woman (or man) and her body.

If women owned their bodies, the state would have no legitimate interest in preventing suicide, including physician-assisted suicide.

Saying that women own their bodies sounds good as a slogan, and may be something to strive for in an ideal society, but it is certainly not the case in today's society.

 

well those things are for safety reasons, not for the fact of control....

 

women SHOULD own their bodies, as well as men. Of course if you think that way once the spermy leaves the penis I don't think he owns it anyone lol. which makes abortion primarily a woman's choice.

They say it's illegal to kill yourself, which doesn't make sense to me, bc if you do it who's gonna prosecute you?!?

 

LOL crystaltreehugger...you make a very good point.

 

http://www.visembryo.com/baby/11.html

The critter shown in the above link is a 2.5-3mm blob. yeah, it has a heartbeat but few blood vessels and the heart is tubal, not chambered. IMO it isn't a question of whether it is a "baby" or not. It is a question of viability. If it can't survive outside of the womb, it isn't a baby.

Though a bit off topic, IMO, the issue of whether women have control over their own bodies is central to eating disorders and parasuicidal behavior. If one feels a loss of control, if a grown woman is patronized or treated like chattel, extreme measures to exert control become important. Sort of "You may control most aspects of my life but I decide whether to eat, how much, and whether I'll keep it down, and I decide how much I want to bleed when I take a sharp object to my flesh.