The 4 Fascism's of America- essay I'm writing

Oh, the irony of the unintended irony....

 

What irony? No Platform is the idea that fascists should be physically denied the ability to organize. From Why no platform is still relevant, and the trouble with liberal "anti-fascism":


The other side of the coin, in terms of why anti-fascism cannot be boiled down to a battle of ideas is that fascism is an ideology rooted in violence. It is hard to reason with those kicking your head in or gunning you down as you run for your life. And of course it is the white, middle class liberal advocating freedom of speech for Nazis who is least likely to be on the receiving end of such attacks.

http://libcom.org/blog/why-no-platform-still-relevant-trouble-liberal-anti-fascism-05012013

 

Idiot. Physically denying ANYONE the ability to organise IS Fascism.

 

Define fascist. Because no definition I've seen makes it any authoritarian action.

Fascism is mindless violence made into a political philosophy. You can't reason with them, to allow them to allow them to commit violence.

an example:

We allow anti gay people to say they hate gays. But when they organize to go do gay bashing we stop them. All fascist organizing is organizing gay bashings.

We cannot let them pass, we must destroy them. We must organize the people they seek to recruit, the alienated and disfranchised white working class, and create a class solidarity so that no political hack can make worker fight against worker. And we can smash the ruling class, and all there goons, guards and soldiers

 

Good luck with that. You are so convinced of your rightness you cannot see reason. I wont post here again.

 

So when are you picking up a rifle?

 

Textbook, original definition of fascism:
any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism

Colloquial, derived definition:
any ideology, movement, programme, tendency, etc, that may be characterized as right-wing, chauvinist, authoritarian, etc



It seems a lot of people in this thread don't know the original definition..

EDIT: I was going to suggest OP explains this in the essay, but I just checked out the essay and he did.

 

Doesn't really jive with his "Fascism is mindless violence made into a political philosophy", does it? I think the OP keeps his definition of fascism moving so he can change it when the need arises.

 

Yes and no.

Fascism could theoretically be done without violence; it hasn't in the past, but it could.
Bigotry is quite often considered mindless, and it definitely is primal, low-level thought; but I think it's rather dangerous to undercut your opponents. Hitler was off his rockers, but he was a crazy genius.

Part of the reason fascism can spread, the reason bigotry can hide, is because of how crafty and intelligent bigots and fascists can be.

So, one could see where the ideas connect - but it's a bit of an exaggeration, at the least.

 

Every Fascism is a failed socialism. Fascism is a movement largely drawn from the disenfranchised middle class, working class, and lumpen proletariat. It is backed by the right wing of the capitalist class. This movement arises after a failed social revolution. In Germany it was the revolution of 1918. In Spain it was the ongoing revolution of the CNT-AIT in Catalonia. In Portugal it was much the same.

 

Why? Where would I go, the class war isn't at that stage yet, besides I do much better organizing my workplace (BK) against the bosses than fighting for socialism as a militia crazy. I'm a syndicalist not a Maoist

 

Would you be willing to pick up a rifle though?

 

Yes, especially since if the class war came to that the alternative would be getting shot. Because I'd have been involved in illegal strikes, political activism, squatting and other illegal things. I don't see capitalism going peacefully.

 

Well, you'd like to think so anyway.

 

what does that mean?

 

It means you'd like to think you would be willing to do all those things, like leading an illegal strike, or even picking up a rifle. I doubt it though.

 

based on one conversation, over the internet?

 

Why don't you go and get it done? Bleating on about it won't change a damn thing.

I call bullshit.

 

What could I do, I'm the only leftist I know. I don't have a job, means of transport, or income. I'm 16, and unlike most people my age I understand what is possible vs impossible. What is possible for me at this moment, is to get to grades, so as to get into a good college (with an active radical left scene/fight student union), and get experience there. In the mean time I can educate my self and develops a strong understanding of theory, and society works.

Besides, its not like people will have a choice about fighting or not, we're headed down the road to Greece. That means that in order to survive the vast majority of people will have to, squat, strike and fight to survive.

For example, companies are going to shut down, leaving workers without a place to work, so there going to have to take over there factory and turn it into a cooperative.

 

lol thought so.......1 forward speed and 5 reverse.......