The 2nd Amendment

It's so funny how left wingers blame the right wingers for spreading lies and vice versa. I've heard her statements with my own ears (video recordings). And what I was talking about was in '97 I believe. The bitch is crazy and evil, and I formulated that opinion on my own a long time ago.

 

Well sure. I'd like to be rich and have an estate with 10-20 concubines. Doesn't mean it is grounded in reality. I also don't see this evidence of great success, from what I've read anyway. And you cannot compare the English to Americans. It's a more timid culture and people, for lack of a better word.

 

And here is a full auto m4 carbine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDQ0McPWXJA"]M4 Carbine Assault Rifle - YouTube

A little bit of a difference huh? Slide stock or not, that is a great weapon for self defense. What gives you the right to determine if someone needs that for self defense or not?

Cops these days have full auto weapons, and a hell of a lot of other things that they didn't have during the bonnie and clyde situation. So basically you are saying police and military should have unlimited access to these weapons but civilians should not? And the reason I brought up the 30-06 is because you brought up long range shooting (which isn't even a factor in these mass killings we are discussing)..

I also know a lot of people that hunt boar with AR15s. Of course, you have to get the 6.8 mm caliber, the 5.56 won't even take down a big boar. When you are on the ground with those animals, you want high capacity magazines. For obvious reasons if you know anything about wild boar.

 

Because to regulate it by the way the thing functions, you would have to include all semi auto firearms with detachable magazines. Unless you regulate it by cosmetic features, which worked so well on the last ban..

 

It seems to me that many here seem to be pushing the idea that ‘government’ is the fountainhead of all woes.

But the systems being discussed seems to be ‘elected government’ so any failure of ‘government’ are in the end down to those that elected the representatives into government?

It is easy to blame faceless ‘government’ for bad laws and stupid actions but in such systems the people responsible are not faceless they are the faces of your fellow citizens.

To me if there is a problem it is down to dysfunctional political systems that allow ‘bad’ representatives into power, it would seem then to me that the solution would be to try and fix the political system so elections get ‘good’ representatives into power.

To me it is not about ‘less’ government or ‘more’ government it is about good governance and how to achieve it.

For me it should be about balance, for example balancing the rights of the individual against the good of the community. Is an individual ‘right’ that is harmful to the community a ‘good’ right?

 

Boar hunting is more necessary than for sport. They are an invasive species. In fact, the county where I live pays people for trapping and killing them as a result of the damages they cause to the ecosystems.

If you feel strongly about magazine capacity, which makes no sense as it takes about 2 seconds to swap a mag, write your state politicians. I can tell you that the gun issue is dead in congress, but maybe you can get something passed in your own state just so you can feel safer.

Once again, it's not up to you to decide what I need for defense of my home or to speculate what would happen if my life were ever threatened.

 

I'm right there with you.

There is nothing common sense about your last two proposals. "assault weapons" are responsible for a fraction of a percent of gun deaths in this country.

You mean like the founders intended should that government become tyrannical? There are many examples of democracies throughout history who have become tyrannical. Am I saying that ours is destined to go down that path? No. But I also don't think it is impossible.

 

There are serving politicians who are on record saying that is exactly what they want, but go on to acknowledge it isn't possible.

 

Again I’d say why do people want guns, Sig for instance has cited as reasons – a fear of a dramatic increase in crime, revolution and now the possibility of his government becoming tyrannical.

But if there were good social, economic and political policies in place that made such evens seem so unlikely wouldn’t people feel they didn’t need to have guns ‘just in case’?

I mean crime, social unrest and political extremism are always a consequence of social, economic and political factors.

 

Could you please stop twisting my words and misrepresenting me? You're being very, very dishonest by doing so. I never once said I fear those things. Indeed, in other threads, I have specifically said I did not fear them.

 

Sig

Yes you are so unafraid of these things that you have two ‘just in case’ guns (and wish for a third) and at least one of the guns is in a safe by your bedside that you know you can open in under 5 seconds.

 

Indeed I am, thank you. All my guns can be considered "by my bedside" because they are all in my bed room, all in safes (one in a closet, one not), and all within 2-3 paces of my bed.

 

Sig


Oh I’m sure you think of yourself as the big fearless ex-marine, but it seems to me that someone that surrounds themselves with so many weapons and actually thinks of some as for ‘just in case’, is how shall we say a bit insecure on the fear front.

I mean why have any ‘just in case’ guns in safes you can open in under five seconds (and know you can open in under five seconds)?

Isn’t having weapons so handy about either wanting to attack or about fear of attack, I have no gun, but I suppose there are things in my house that could be used as weapons but I don’t think of them as such and would only pick them up as such if I feared been hurt. You on the other hand have things that were specifically designed as weapons in your house, that you think of as for being for ‘just in case’ that are in safes you know you can open in 5 seconds, yet you say you have them because you are totally and utterly unafraid?

Sorry that just doesn’t seem to add up.

 

Perhaps you're projecting your own insecurities on me? Just because you cannot fathom owning firearms without being afraid of something doesn't mean that must hold true for everyone.

I've said, repeatedly, that I view firearms as tools and treat them as such. I don't have a spare tire because I fear getting a flat. I have it because I know that, maybe, I could get a flat and I want to be prepared for that. In my mind the same logic holds true for my firearms. I, as an American citizen, have a right to purchase tools that are firearms, and I do so. Fear never once entered into the equation when I purchased them. I am sorry that doesn't fit with your world view.

Also, just as a note, I am still a Marine to this day. Once the title is earned it is carried forever.

 

How so? Do you see anti-gun control people going around using violence daily to achieve their political aims? I certainly don't. I have never once thought about using my firearms to achieve political aims. They are there, though, should politics fail.

 

Sig

So you say but, I’m so insecure it seems that I have no guns and don’t see the need for any, while you have several, two of which you think of as ‘just in case’ guns (and you wish for a third) and you keep them in your bedroom in safes know you can open in under 5 seconds.

But they are not work tools they are weapons for attack or defence if you fear harm.

Yes as you keep claiming you are fearless yet to repeat you have several guns, two of which you think of as ‘just in case’ guns (and you wish for a third) and you keep them in your bedroom in safes know you can open in under 5 seconds.