The 2nd Amendment

I remember reading statistics saying that handguns were used much more on average at shootings than AR.

 

Actually the only "histeria" here is done by Obama and his Loyal followers. It is these people who feel it's manditory to pass knee-jerk legislation, over a few people (that were obviously crazy.) I own a gun, and obviously it's not been a "WMD" in my hands.

 

Well, as far as that argument goes, I believe that 1911's actually can wear into full auto, I once read an article on buying them that said to do various things to check that it couldn't do it. I'm sure if it can do it on it's own, it would only be a few minutes or seconds with a dremel to do it intentionally. (though I'm not sure that the auto fire actually stops when you let up on the trigger, it may go through the whole mag).

But seriously, who does that? It would be uncontrollable and useless. My point is, I don't see the auto thing to be a big issue, it's mostly pop culture and crappy movies that portray recoil-less guns with bottomless magizines that make full auto be a big deal, IMO. Obviously someone wanting to do some dick compensating with their gun might want full auto, but it's mostly a big sought-after thing now because of it's prohibition.

I don't think they should be super-prohibited, I just think there should be safeguards on who can get what, and I think that a general campaign of cultural change should be enacted, like the firearms version of what the netherlands have done with pot: make it boring, take away all the sensation.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2GM0KRHRME"]Promisedland Guns Full-Auto Glock 17 Suppressed - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw-o3p4ZMtE"]Glock 18 Full Auto - 298 rounds - YouTube

The g18 was actually manufactured full auto, the top one was converted with a drop in sear.

 

The 2nd Amendment Hysteria...

...the Republican Party rallying the base

 

What is that supposed to mean?

We're not all republicans.

And if anyone is rallying the base, it's the democrats attempting their bans.

 

You're not fooling anyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JukAODYgPiI"]Jon Stewart Attacks NRA Convention 2013 - (May 6, 2013) - YouTube

 

The right wing nut jobs sure are taking the hip out of this forum.

 

Sorry, but you don't get to decide what is and what isn't "hip" for the rest of us.

 

I will agree to gun forfeitures.

But only if the government can compromise with the citizens by getting rid of all defense from the elected officials and government institutions. That means taking guns away from Obama's family and the secret service bodyguards.

 

Hahaha! It's good to see we can have a sense of humor! (Cause you'd have to be crazy to expect the government to give away THEIR killing machines, then they'd be defenseless; not just us citizens..)

 

Only if I can safely stash away some of my guns I am unwilling to part with.

 

.....sigh.

Ahh, I'd thought there was supposed to be some "feature" to prevent conversion of the g17. I assume it can't be converted to selective fire?

My point relating to auto pistols is that I don't think that a gun being possible to convert should count for anything in banning it. Remember:

"seriously, we swear, those branch davidians have totally legal guns that could theorhetically be converted to be illegal, though there's no reason to think they've done this...... you should write a warrant to go burn down the compound with all the women and children inside"

 

The 2nd Amendment Hysteria:

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...carry on...

 

Actually hysteria is not having the ability to defend yourselfwhen something does go down. Obama wants to disarm the people, but keep the government fully armed. So although he has rhetoric like "The government is us." The government should never be exempt from certain laws, in a free society.

We are our first line of protection. It can take police up to an hour to get to some locations, (By their own admission.) It's sensible for me to own a gun because I wouldn't hurt anyone unless they directly threatened me with a weapon, and people have gotten crazy these days!

 

This post made me think of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoFMmNM9H70"]Sublime - D.J.s - YouTube

 

I read an article today about how gun related crime and violent crime in general has decreased significantly since the 90s.
And yet many feel like America is a much more dangerous place now.
Which really goes to show how the media and government have been successfully waging a fear campaign the last decade.

 

You know why? Many states have been passing concealed carry laws since the 80s/90s. People are strappin up and stopping acts of violence.

That's what is so ridiculous about these gun control nuts.

This life has no guarantees people. Any of us can die at any moment, from any cause. Limiting access to weapons to people with a conscience, based on a handful of horribly evil and gruesome mass shootings that may have been the ultimate effect of pharmaceutical drugs or some kind of sinister agenda.. is just stupid.

Especially when you think about that every one of those shootings could have been stopped if one person in the immediate proximity had been armed.

 

Well to be fair the article also mentioned that in violent crimes in which the victim had access to a gun for self defense, victims only used them in less than 1% of cases. I can't remember where I read the article so I'll have to recheck that statistic, but I found it interesting.

 

Well, from my perspective, in an area where anyone can be strapped people are less likely to even attempt aggravated crimes.

Growing up skateboarding in dc which had a handgun ban was hell. Street thugs walking around like predators. Looking back I am lucky to be alive.

10 min away in va there was more respect. Slight but more. Down in fl, people don't even fuck with random people because I'd estimate 6 or 7 people out of 10 have a gun on them or in their car. A barfight is the worst I've seen here, or drug related beef.

Edit: I wonder if by 'used', they mean fired. Or if that means even exposing/presenting the gun.