The 2nd Amendment

I'm done talking to you, because at this point nothing positive will come of it.

You talk about slavery and Native Americans, then immediately after you mention that it seems a bit silly to blame you brits for something you had nothing to do with. Way to be a hypocrite in more or less the same paragraph.

And yes, America is better than your country. You can pass the buck to your ancestors as much as your heart desires. You can call it "exceptionalism". You can credit the French. I really don't give a fuck.

And by tough, I wasn't talking about fitness I was talking about mentality. Balls, in other words.

 

Why are us Brits poking our noses in over your 2"nd Amendment is a good question,I can think of a lot of reasons. We are closer,culturely to America than any other country though our nearest neighbours are in Europe . We share the same language,but that can mislead as we have differing values attached to meanings. No other culture influences the UK as strongly as America.
There is some kind of affinity I can't put my finger on it-we may piss each other off but we always come back! Ive got Family in the States, but 'it' was there before I did.

Truth is we like America and I believe that most of the world actually does though Americans may find that hard to believe. I watched the Alex Jones TV interview with Piers Morgan in which Jones called Anti Gun Campagning Brits Neo-Redcoats out to undo what they couldnt 200 years ago. Thats rubbish . For starters Im not a member of any group,nor are we trying to interfere,its real heartfelt concern.

I found the images of kids and innoscent people killed & maimed by Gun Crazies as hard to take in as anyone,save the loved ones of the victims. I hate guns , they kill thats all they are for, and I want them removed from every civilian environment,everywhere. Obviously that means from the hands of criminals too . I cannot believe that its beyond our powers to do that . Americas gota be the most pragmatic nation of earth . Nothing stops you guys when you set a goal .

 

So sorry you had to be subject to AJ's rantings...please ignore that nut-bag.

 

He speaks a lot of truth. Ultimate truth? No. But, of course, anyone who does speak any truth is labeled a nut-bag by those who disagree.

 

Thank you for your concern. You seem like an open minded person, and genuinely concerned.

However, it is 100% impossible to remove guns and the culture of guns from US society. The only thing that can happen by attempting so, is a lot of good people being criminalized and becoming victims of the state and of the violent. And our Constitution being trampled upon in the process.

There ARE things we could do to reduce violence and mass violence. But things have been going in the opposite direction for years upon years, and now everyone who is concerned is fixated on guns as being the root cause. Gun violence is the effect, not the cause.

 

Deviate

It wasn’t hypocrisy only a lesson in history.

You should read your posts - you implied that from the beginning (even before the beginning) of the Union ‘Americans’ were lovers of ‘freedom’ but I was pointing out that at that time the US had limited voting, slavery and was very off hand with Native American ‘rights’. And I have pointed out many times that this changed because people fought to gain ‘freedom’ and rights often in the face of opposition from the establishment (in the main conservative property owning white men).

I was pointing out it was the same over here at the time of the American War of Independence the people in charge were in the main conservative property owning white men. Us the majority of Britain’s had to fight to gain ‘rights’ and a say in government.

I was pointing out that to claim, as you seem to, that ‘America’ was a place of ‘freedom’ from the very beginning seems to run counter to the historical record.

As I say you need to think before you post.

But as I’ve explained many times before that seems to be one of the problems with many Americans - they prefer the myth to historical reality, they seem to want to accept a fantasy of what American is rather than to seeking the actuality.

I think that if they opened their eyes and removed the blinkers of bias and prejudice they may actually be able to tackle the real problems they have in their society and have a better understanding of the world.

And in what way is that displayed?

Personally? I mean as pointed out many Americans seem so fearful for their lives that they feel like they need guns to protect themselves. Although they claim their is very very very little to be afraid of.

Militarily? Since WW11, the US has had the Korean War (in which the US sort an armistice and while open fighting stopped the war I believe is still technically on- going), Vietnam which the US basically lost, there was the pulled out of Lebanon and Somalia, the cold war was basically an economic war, the occupation of Iraq was a fuck up as is Afghanistan, for the supposedly major military power on the planet the US’s record hasn’t been outstanding.

And a lot of the time the US military go for the safe, distance option, high altitude bombing, stealth bombing, missiles and recently and increasingly drones.

Now I’m not saying that on a micro level brave men and women have not fought and died, or that the US has not had its victories but seeing the bigger picture the US often comes across as a bully rather than a ballsy champion. And I’m not saying that isn’t normal for an imperial power other great powers have done the same in the past (especially Britain) but that’s my point the US and Americans are not exceptional.

I mean what is your definition of toughness or balls? I mean to me many people as individuals or nations have shown stoicism or been upstanding in the face of adversity so why do you seem to believe that America is tougher than others?

You really need to read posts because time after time people are pointing out that they DON’T see guns as the root cause.

I for one keep pointing out that to me the pro-gun stance and culture in the US seem to be a symptom of certain attitudes and mentality. If you had read my posts you would know that and not be posting such misdirection.

Now I’ve explained my views so please can you explain in your own words what you think are the causes?

 

Really? Like we are the only ones that ever went to war to evict the present residence and take over the property.

The United States did not invent war, racism or class.

Yea, it was a bunch of White Men, so fucking what. They did not come to start wars, they did not come to kill Indians. They did not come to enslave anyone. They came to start a new life.

Every country has faught and conquered another one to gain control.. NOT JUST THE USA.

The USA is only 270 yrs old or something like that. There are countries that have been in existence for thousands of yrs and are run by BROWN/BLACK MAN that KILL female babies, decapitate and torture men, women and children for the 'god'.

There are countries that Sew female genitals together so they will be 'virgins' for their husbands. Some 'political parties steal what is sent as aid from the USA to poor countries.

We have a better system of things than 99% of any other country in the world.

Why? Because we have the right to bare arms and defend ourselves. We have the Constitution and our Bill Of Rights to protect us from the government taking control of our lives.

If you think you have something better then maybe you should run for President.

Oh.. You don't live in the United States.. then STFU

 

There are so many in this country that say this same shit. Like the dumb hillbillies that don't like anyone telling them they can't have sex with their kin. As a result America is loaded with retards. USA! USA! USA!

This from a Texan that gave the world Shrub Jr.

 

And the "my country's cock is bigger than your country's cock" argument officially begins.

 

Really? So you think you're so very intelligent and know ohh so much.. but you seem to have overlooked something very important George Bush was born in Massachusetts!!!! His mama was born in Texas.

When you grow up and learn how to tell the truth then came back and tell it true.

As bad as Bush was he was 1,000 time better the obummer.

 

If the US goes down, so does the rest of the world bc we support 150 countries out of 192. When The USA pulls it money out then you all will be fucked.

When the U.S. CITIZENS get tired of all your complaints as you grab our money we work ourselves to death for and cuts your whinny ass off then you will have something to whine about.

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Ungreatfull lot you folks are.

http://www.countrysurvival.com/us-gives-foreign-aid-to-over-150-countries/

 

Yet in terms of hard numbers....

 

Not really. Most of the foreign aid doesn't support the actual countries themselves. Plus, most of it is returned in trade. One of the reasons for foreign aid in the first place.

Ted Poe:
Residence Humble, Texas



http://www.cgdev.org/doc/CDI 2012/CDI Postcard_2012.pdf

 

You ALL know I am not a politically schooled person. I don't support either party. It divides the people. I do know right from wrong. I do have common sense. I do know a lie when it is told to me.

I do know that there is too much money leaving the U.S. and not enough coming in, or reaching the ones that need it. I also know that bc we send our $$ overseas for their products it harms our economy and jobs disappear.

I have seen what happens to small towns when big corporations that sell foreign goods take over. Ghost Town.

I know I do not want the UN dictating policy in the U.S. by the standards of third world countries.

All that leads to a One World Order, which is not good for the people.

I have the ownership over my own thoughts. You can think what you want too. I just know how it affects my life, my sensibilities. my observance of what is right and wrong for me and mine.

It's out of our hands anyway. A lot of arguments for something that none of us can stop. It's already a done deal before it ever reaches the public, all behind closed doors without the people's knowledge or consent. Anything we attempt to do would be after the fact.

 

Well Said Sig !

 

Thanks for your Reply deviate and for your kind words. I don't want to get into this your country my country slanging match . Truth is we're both in screwed up Democracies overwhelmed by problems they're not sorting out to anyones satisfaction . We've gota find some answers among ourselves . Americans are feeling under attack & friendless-that ain't true! We have our differences & a lot of that is because we don,t understand eachothers values properly. 'Two Nations divided by a common language',someone said , sadly its all too true! Lets not let that get in the way of our discussion.
I hear the points you are making and would be interested , especially, in knowing more about what you meant in the last paragraph of your of your reply.

 

Wrong. Shrub Jr. was born in Connecticut. OMG, he was definitely the worst president ever.

 

Where ever he was born it wasn't in Texas, so.. you still want to argue about who the worst president is/was. Who cares, it's right now we have to worry about.

I respect your Right to your opinion.. under obama you won't have it much longer