The 2024 Election

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  1. newo

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    If your girlfriend asks if you'd prefer a blowjob or a kick in the balls!

    If your boss asks if you'd prefer a raise or a pink slip!

    If a car dealer asks if you'd prefer a primo machine or a lemon!

    We could go on and on!
     
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  5. Tishomingo

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    Sorry, Pal. That ain't likely to happen. What's more likely is that your "both sides"ism will discourage people from voting, and we'll end up with the real Big Bad Wolf who will eat us all up!
     
  6. newo

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    Many millions of people will vote for Kamala Harris not sure if she'll be a good president because they know Trump would be a godawful one. I'm confident she'll be our next president, but we need to keep up the attack on Trump right through election day!
     
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  7. straightma1e

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    Millions will vote for Harris. Millions for Trump. I expect Harris will carry the Electoral College and be the next POTUS. What I don't expect is for her to be able to deliver on the shallow promises she has been making.
     
  8. Tishomingo

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    At least her opponent wouldn't be in a position to carry out his!
     
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  9. Piobaire

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    Here's an idea; vote a straight Democratic ticket, expel the 'sedition caucus', and let's see what she can do if she's not hamstrung by know-nothings, bomb-throwers, and obstructionists who'd be perfectly happy to see America fail as long as they get their 30 seconds on Fox News "owning the Libs."
     
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  10. newo

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    If Trump is elected I don't expect him to TRY to deliver on the shallow promises he's been making!
     
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  11. hisplaceofinterest

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    I still think we have the worst choices ever! They are both goobers. If only someone else would step up.
     
  12. Piobaire

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    One candidate was president for 4 years, during which time he passed a $9.75 trillion tax cut for the rich; exploding the national debt, abandoned Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria, leaving 2,975 American citizens to die simply because they have brown skin and speak Spanish (then tried to trade it for Greenland; you know, whose population is white, blonde-haired, and blue-eyed), whose incompetence and malfeasance led to over 400,000 avoidable deaths from COVID, giving America the highest death toll of any industrialized country, who brags of overturning Roe v. Wade, was found liable for rape, was convicted on 34 felony counts for fraud, who attempted a coup d'etat when he couldn't get reelected, who's now promising to be "a dictator from day one", do to Gay rights what he did to abortion rights, pass more tax cuts for billionaires, and whose campaigning is largely comprised of spewing racist lies about scary Negro immigrants eating puppies.

    The other candidate has 22 years of public service experience (more than Obama when he was elected), including as District Attorney of San Francisco, Attorney General of California, and Vice President of the United States, and has a detailed plan to reduce child poverty, protect reproductive rights, reduce gun violence, and increase affordable housing. To the best of my knowledge, she hasn't raped or killed anyone.

    These two candidates are not even remotely similar; Harris clearly is not "the worst choice ever" (although her opponent certainly is). So why all the animus towards Kamala Harris? What exactly are your objections to her?
    Where Kamala Harris stands on 10 key policy issues
    The People’s Guide to Project 2025
     
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    Maybe? But we’ve had nothing but bad choices for a long time, and two parties which struggle to meet people where they are. I can’t hide my disdain for the parties, but what I shared is more of a fantasy strategy than what I think is realistic. Something needs to bump politics out of the rut, because we are facing so much interpersonal strife, so many individual issues which are fed by political instead of pragmatic policies, a lack of community and community building, it’s hard to see how we don’t meet up with the figurative bill collector at some point in my lifetime (I’m not quite 40). The parties as they stand are toxic, and people don’t stand by each other any more. That’s kind of pessimistic, but all I can do is ring up an idea here or there and not expect that I’ll be hailed as some genius (because I’m not).
     
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  15. Piobaire

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    If Trump wins the election, he could launch a ‘catastrophic’ rollback of LGBTQ+ rights

    Donald Trump has promised aggressive attacks on LGBTQ+ rights, with a focus on trans youth, who have been a central target of the GOP’s culture war. The former president’s proposed “plan to protect children from left-wing gender insanity” includes ordering federal agencies to end all programs that “promote … gender transition at any age”; revoking funding from hospitals that provide gender-affirming care to youth and subjecting them to US justice department investigations; punishing schools that affirm trans youth; and pushing a federal law stating the government doesn’t legally recognize trans people.
    Trump has also pledged to rescind federal LGBTQ+ nondiscrimination policies, which could mean a loss of protections in housing, healthcare, employment, education and a range of federal programs. He has promised new credentialing for teachers to “promote positive education about the nuclear family, the roles of mothers and fathers”. The Republican platform calls for advancing a “culture that values the sanctity of marriage”.

    Project 2025, the rightwing manifesto authored by Trump allies, is even more explicit, saying Biden-Harris pro-LGBTQ+ policies should be replaced by ones supporting the “formation of stable, married, nuclear families” and “heterosexual, intact marriage”. It says adoption agencies, healthcare workers and businesses should be able to reject LGBTQ+ people, and faith-based government contractors should be allowed to deny services to people who don’t fit “biblically based” definitions of marriage.

    Some legal scholars have warned that marriage equality, already endangered at the supreme court, could be further threatened under Trump, particularly if he gets the opportunity to appoint additional justices.
     
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  16. Tishomingo

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    Yes, the world is a bad place, and there are lots of bad people in the world. Politicians and their parties are perennial targets of disdain, since by definition they're partisans and their main objective is to beat out their counterparts in the race for office. The founding fathers didn't want parties to happen--but they did anyhow, during the administration of George Washington. You're absolutely right about the interpersonal strife, much of which is manufactured or exploited by politicians. One in particular comes to mind, ever since he made his famous entry into politics descending an escalator and railing about the dangers of "the other". What to do about it? One approach is to throw up our hands, retreat, and post pessimistic "plague on both your houses" messages on HF. Another is to realize that for quite some time our options are to choose among evils, and this particular election is unique in that it one evil is far greater than the other, and this election may be our last one! Democracy is at stake. Wake up!

     
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  17. Piobaire

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    It Can’t Happen Here, Right? RIGHT???

    No other presidential nominee in United States history has behaved with the contempt for democracy that Trump has already demonstrated or even hinted at the sorts of autocratic actions Trump promises if he is returned to power.
    As he seeks to regain the White House, Trump has suggested terminating the Constitution and has accused those who have criticized him of committing “treason.” He has vowed to destroy the bureaucracy that might serve as a check on his power and promised to pardon his followers who took part in his Jan. 6, 2021, attempt to remain in office despite his election loss, which authoritarianism experts describe as an attempted auto-golpe, or self-coup. He has even pledged to round up upwards of 20 million people — one in every 15 U.S. residents — for deportation.

    “The idea that this couldn’t happen here is a fantasy,”
    Heather Cox Richardson

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  18. newo

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  19. Piney

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    Our pending national bankruptcy is not manufactured strife, It is barely mentioned by media in favor of their own hobby horses.
    My own feeling is that our two choices are close to each other in stupidity. I dont view our two choices as individuals but instead two opposing power blocks. the best outcome may be divided government.

    I just dont get Trump selling tax cuts at a time fiscal deficits.
    Would be more interested in higher taxation if it were toward balancing the budget instead of more spending.
     
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