The 1st law

Geckopelli:

But Like scratcho mentioned, those parameters seem to be lacking lol

That makes no sense.

The universe. Arrive at this conclusion by logical inference if you have to.

How is there any sense whatsoever in which time doesn't begin and end in consciousness?

 

Anyone that believes they know when existence will end or will continue is still hypothesizing,science be damned. Planets,stars ,galaxies ,universes will come and go with our knowledge or without our knowledge within existence--but there can be no non-existence. We little biological creatures have some pretty decent ideas about endings and beginnings--as far as we go. As the old saying goes(to paraphrase) "some are too smart by half". It is not ours to know why,when ,who,where,what --except "locally",as it were.

 

Science and Technology--

not semanatics nor philosophy.

YOU know to what I refer.

The accepted meaning of "eternity" is "for all time". If time ends, Eternity is over. forever only last until it ends.
Time is a-- thing, law, whatever. Not a concept.

It exist, and it has aspects that can be described and measured.

 

Don't fall in love with your own ignorance; see the 1st Law of Thermo Dynamics. it states that, in a closed system, Entropy must increase. When Entropy reaches maximum, the Universe (including Time) ends.

Wrong-- Infinity makes no sense. Entropy precludes it; the Univers DOES NOT expand into "empty Space". "Space' is itself a product of the general expansion of the Universe. [I'm hot to debate this point.]

Otherwise-- show me an example of Infinity.

See about a million post on Solipism.

 

How does this belong in a Science and Technology forum?

And please-- don't project. And who are you to say what is "ours to know"??????????????

What is YOURS to know is evident; but some of us can pass through the gom jabbar of fear and seek a HINT OF UNDERSTANDING.

 

That time is a law or thing is a concept, time is eventual. Events are mental constructs formed from perceived corridors of refraction. There are no discrete systems.

My concept of eternity calls time a subset of eternity, eternity unchanging, unaffected by time. It is also an "accepted meaning" for eternal, live with it.
It exists and by it's nature is impossible to measure but not impossible to experience, it's character being unchanging, all presence in every moment.
Any measurements of time, are arbitrary.

 

what closed system

show me the boundaries of space

 

Don't project, be willing to listen. You yourself are positing linguistic formula and this post challenges the integrity of the one you are talking to, how does this belong in a science and technology forum.

 

Your concept may call apples oranges; what matter? Everything stated above is Non-sequiter.

Time is measured against Event Frequency, your perception notwithstanding. The Atomic clock ticks on, regardless of any argument you wish to expound.

Solipsist!

 

At last!-- toss it all. THAT'S MY WHOLE POINT!!!!!!!!!!

my original assertion stands undisputed IN SCIENCE: Duration is NOT infinite.

Further: The passage of Time may be measured against radioactive decay. This implies a relationship between half-life, Quantum theory, and Time.

And here I'll go way, way out on a limb and say : the Time/Space Continum is more properly refered to as the Time/Gravity Continum.

Well?

 

Again what closed system, show me the boundaries of space.

 

The Universe is a closed system by definition.

Boundries?
Ad Naseum-- the laws of Thermodynamics.

 

By definition, agreed.

A half-life often describes the decay of discrete entities, such as radioactive atoms. In that case, it does not work to use the definition "half-life is the time required for exactly half of the entities to decay". For example, if there is just one radioactive atom with a half-life of 1 second, there will not be "half of an atom" left after 1 second. There will be either zero atoms left or one atom left, depending on whether or not the atom happens to decay.

Well, you've gotten ahead of yourself.

 

By observation it is dynamic. That it is one statement, "universe", does not describe it's characteristics, it's dimensions. I posit that there are no discrete systems in universe.

 

Geckopelli!

No debate. Everything has its own language, even in confusion. I'll explain. Infinity is embodied indefinitely. All sense is for it, becomes it, the universe precludes itself, expands into itself. You're arguing the impossibility of a closed system. In what's it enclosed? More. You'll always come up against more. lol

You will have to show yourself that! Like I said, plain old logic is there at your disposal. lol

Your time/gravity limb lopped. There's just space, and consciousness that comes of it. We can have infinity through eternity I trust this will sound a little crazy to you. It should!


"By definition"

Motion. Motion is proof of infinity.

 

False

 

TheDope

Actually space is mathematically and conceptually closed.
AFAIK. Then again i'm just a keen observer with a mind.
My intuition says space is closed but duration is not.
You can wave physics papers at me an i care not.
I believe what my 'gestalt of understanding' says.
I worked out the tau factor before i knew it had been done.
[time dilation at near C]

Reality poses no problems for me.. I'm set in it as a thinking entity and i plan to work it out..
how about you?

Occam

 

Fiction. Ever notice how space is its duration? How the atomic clock is really just constant motion?

Think outside the coffin!

 

Ok.Fine. I guess we can concede then that I'm ignorant. Your vast educational expertise has whipped me right down to a nub. Enjoy yourself.

 

If someone waves a physics paper at me, I think kindling.
I am real, there is nothing to work out.
Consider the more forward reaching, the older.