thats sooo gay MERGED

I don't think I've ever referred to something as "gay".I just don't use the word that way,and I can't help thinking how immature it sounds to use it like that.

 

I only really do it because it sounds that immature.

 

In grade 7 or something my friends and I used to say things were gay (in a derrogatory way) a lot. I'm sure I pulled off the full, ignorant and bitchy-person effect :&
One time this guy said to me coldly, "Gay is not an adjective." I don't think I stopped using it at that point, but I did a little while later.
I think part of why I did use it was to separate myself from gay people, but that fact that it was a 'trend' also encouraged me to use it.

 

...Gay is an adjective though.

 

Hahahaha I was about to say that.


Sometimes it's good to hear people say the word like that, only because it tells me who I don't want to be friends with.

 

That's not the point!!!

 

My understanding, intention and reception of the word gay in the context being used is that its describing something or some concept that is needlessly superfluous, overly silly or uncalled for frivolity in place of effectiveness and purpose.

Has nothing whatsoever to do with the word 'gay' in the homosexual sense of the word other than there may be times when they share in it:
Example: Richard Simmons is gay (homo) and he sells 'Deal a Meal' cards which are so gay (silly gimmicks compensating for real value)

But no, its not a thing where people are trying to demean homosexuals or make any sort of comparison.

 

Not overtly, but use the word in this way... such as "this tv show is so gay" meaning boring and stupid.... gained popularity for these reasons

A) it allows us to distance ourselves from gay but constantly refering to stupid negative things as gay like a mantra... thus further proving to us that we are not gay because look we use gay in a negative way... see that means I don't want to do that stuff. This exists because of homoerotic unconscious and/or sometime conscious desires we have that make us very uncomfortable and cause anxiety... Thus a good way to deal with it is the gay mantra. Being Gay is a negative thing thus how could I evern indulge in such thought patterns the mind so trains itself. Oh this post is soooo gay! I am no fruedian, his theory is sooo gay, I think he was way off on a lot of things. Yet he was right about certain levels (patterns in elements on the mud from which the lotus of higher consciousness grows from). Thus I will use on of Frued's words forgive me Buddha nad Jesus... This use of the word gay could be in some cases a reaction formation... Thus saying gay in a negative way, but what the person really wants to do is say, gimmie the hot beef injection or suck my cock dude... But instead of saying, I want my male teacher to suck my cock. The guy would say, this class is gay. The teacher is so gay... a person from another country not knowing the slang could ask, "you mean homosexual?" To which the guy would respond, "No, gay is a word to mean something boring or stupid... in the context I use it... It is a popular slang in my generation, all my male friends say it repetidly" then he thinks, "because it helps us from getting huge boners about each other as we sit close while watching football, where guys get all rough and play with each other. Thus preventing us from having massive gay orgies, which is what I want, please Jesus gimmie some fuckign cock right now" He shivers at the thought, feel anxiety and denies he even had the thought.

B) it tells those around and ourselves where we stand on the issue of homosexuality. We are basically saying when we call something gay, "I am one of the nazis that is against the gay lifestyle and think it is a negative thing. If I had the chance I would shove em into the over like hitler wanted to do with the jews as well as the gays." Thus it is like saluting hitler over and over again... thus funneling hatred and helping keep one seperate from gayness and on the side of straightness. It is a mantra for homophobia.


What I am saying is that it is NO conspiracy... It is a simple step by step process that created this popularity

1) gay = happiness
2) gay is taken up to describe the homosexual community.
3) gay becomes slang for a negative thing or stupid or boring thing. Because it become associated with the homosexual community. Thue use of the word gay to describ a positive thing like lightness or happiness because a thing of the past... when the flistones say have a gay old time, some giggle at the use of the word picturing homosexual acts. Then they tell themselves how they are not gay, they are straight and how gay people are stupid and whatever negative thing you want to put on these people.


Why? because people are UPTIGHT NAZIS that are afraid of OURSELF!


Now does that mean all people that use the word gay like I mean are like this...


No, there are some poor souls that just use it because it is popular and catchy... thus it catches on.

But most people, use it for the reasons I mentioned above.

 

GanjaPrince, I agree with what you're saying here. I don't find too many people my age using "gay" this way...and I'm happy about that.

I don't know if there's much chance of reclaiming the word. The use of the "n" word was mentioned, and I haven't seen much progress on that front. I'm white, and I don't use that word simply because there's too much chance of misunderstanding and inadvertently hurting or offending someone or giving someone the wrong idea about myself.

I've always preferred the word "gay" to the alternatives. I've found some more-political-than-thou types using "queer" as an in-your-face gesture. It strikes me as particularly obnoxious. In my town, you find a number of gay people using "queer" as a blanket term not just for gay men and lesbians and bisexuals and intersex people and questioning people, but to refer to "sexual minorities," folks into bondage and other alternatives. Somewhere along the line, the word loses its meaning if you use it to refer to so many different kinds of people.

As a gay man, I feel like "we" had the word "gay" before the straight kids did it. It's our word. They are bright and creative to get a new word of their own.

 

it seems everyone my age uses the word gay to mean stupid. i never use it because its highly offensive. gay does not equal stupid!

 

Yet another example of trolling. Why won't somebody report this and why won't they do something about it? Because there is no mod in this forum?

Everyone has to sign the above agreement in order to join Hip Forums. Obviously, eraz has made this post, and many others on the Gay forum, for the only purpose of enticing flaming (flame baiting).

He has a right to an opinion. But he doesn't have a right to shame, harass, propagandize, and demonize LGBT people anywhere he wants. It's especially rude that he does it at a "Gay" forum, (rainbow power! where?), and tragic that Hip Forums allows it to go on and on.

 

He's not really doing that in the post you quoted though, is he. You're just being over-sensitive.

 

yeah let him stay. I love him and his comments... he is very funny, not a troll!

 

Well I wouldn't go that far. But this place would be pretty boring without him, because we'd mostly all agree the whole time, and I'd have to become even more objectionable and fascistic in order to fill his shoes.

 

I would...

Let me confess... although I play the game of holding opinions and so on... I am really PRO-EVERYTHING! It is all one consciousness, it does all, it is all... That includes all the "evil" things in this world like say homophobia and fundementalist christianity, and all the "good" things like tolerance and understanding towards homosexuality and mystical teachings of unity... Yet that is all part of the one consciousness... thus I am for it... horray for what is! Let peace and love come to all through realization, that we have done it to ourself all along.

All is love and Love is all.

 

Hm, well, some etymological research might be in order... I've never used gay to mean anything other than homosexual and happy/cheerful, so I don't really know why some people use it for a third meaning, but is it so sure that it is meant as derogatory to homosexuality? It might just seem that way maybe?
I studied linguistics, and semantics can be a complicated field, the creation of new meanings for existing words is not always as it seems...

 

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You seem to be suggesting that he has done it in other posts. And that you have noticed that. And you chose to remain mute.

Not funny. Like I've said before, it's hard to shake internalized homophobia since you never see it in yourself. Some of the most homophobic people I've met were gay. So, you are only as fascistic as you are, dear SelfControl, if anything eraz makes you look more so. I have wondered at times if the two of you are in cahoots.

Erasmus70: "There may be times when they (gay and needlessly superfluous) Share it (the same meaning)"

He is intimating that gay and superfluous are one in the same.

Erasmus70: "he sells 'Deal a Meal' cards which are so gay (silly gimmicks compensating for real value)"

He uses gay in the juvenile way. That is meant to inflame and demean. He has done it again and again on this board. Nobody seems to mind. But I do, and as of now, when I see his trolling and flame bating I am going to make a note of it weather the incident is small or gross.

You may wish to overlook it. You may feel the same as he does about GLBT. That still doesn't make his flame baiting right.


The reason and use of the term "gay" as juvenile put-down is the same as for "cock sucker": it's a derogatory term derived from homosexuals. It's use reinforces the prejudice against GLBT. And since no school can ban the use of the word "gay", like they can with "cock sucker", it is has all the more effect.

I am sorry that I can't enjoy that stance. There are many criminal and evil things that human beings do, which I can't abide by. As far as this forum goes, there are rules we all agreed to against trolling and flame baiting.

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This thead is gay

 

That pretty much sums it up...

 

In a way. I just don't think anything would be served by denying him a voice. It's not like anyone takes him seriously anyway, but if we stop him from saying this stuff it makes it seem that we do take him seriously. I'm sure he'd also feel quite justified in taking the matter to every other forum in here.

Why so? Because I'm willing to enter into a dialogue with him rather than call him a Nazi all the time. You can't change anyone's mind with petty insults, you just reinforce their belief that anyone who disagrees with them is stupid and/or over-emotional. I'm not saying I can change him, but I feel it's important to try. If you actually want to accuse me of being in cahoots, please, present evidence. I'd like to see it.

As for myself, a lot of people have said I'm fascistic, I don't know if I agree, and I don't personally see what's fundamentally wrong with it, especially since I have no actual power with which to exert any fascist ideology beyond just saying stuff on a forum that no-one even knows about.

Well, that is your view and your opinion. Personally I think it would be a mistake. The word's meaning has changed over time (more about this below), and I honestly don't think it has that much to do with homosexuality anymore. Seems on a par with saying anyone who listens to Wagner is inherently anti-Semitic.

The problem with antagonism is that you have to choice to ignore it or respond to it. The urge to respond is great, but that's because comments like that are designed to get a response. It's pretty much all they're for. What he wants is to upset people, trick them into saying or doing something stupid which he can then use against them. It is my view that what he would like, more than anything, is for us to deny him the right to speak, because it would confirm his belief that he has aired on here many times that the reason we don't agree with him is because we are ignorant. I'm sure he'd be crowing about it elsewhere on the forum the whole time, and I'm sure he won't be without approbators.

The guy is a nuisance, I won't deny that, but I think he would become more than that if we treated his attention-seeking ramblings with anything more than the contempt they deserve.

See, I'm not arguing that it derives from homophobia. But I don't believe that everyone who uses it is homophobic. Bringing up "internalised" homophobia muddies the issue, because you're implying someone could hate something and have no knowledge of it. There are people who harbour that kind of hatred, but they tend to be the ones who will protest against people using hateful words, that their hate will be far more manifest in their actions than in their overt persona. They wear a facade of tolerance by using the right language and such, because it makes them seem more acceptable.

I don't think anyone could level that accusation at Erasmus. I'm not saying he's perfect, but it's dangerous to level unsubstantiated accusations at people like him, because it gives them the satisfaction of a kind of martyrdom.

Interesting. You haven't accused me of flame-baiting directly, but you do it by association. Care to elaborate?