Thank You very much Donald Trump!!!

Follow the cutting torches.

 

That all depends on who has to pay for it. Remember, "free" doesn't actually exist, except in nature.

 

I do agree that current policies to combat global warming may not be ideal.

I don't think you're a racist. You do seem to bring up racism as a non-sequitur frequently.

 

Fixed that for ya....

 

Yeah, ok.....

 

I think that's all refurbished Obama wall though.

 

I'm well aware of how single payer healthcare is funded lol

 

The only model I have to go on is the VA, and I maintain insurance so I won't have to go there.

 

The VA is straight up government ran healthcare.
I'm not a proponent of government ran healthcare. Single payer isnt government run. Single payer is where the government plays the role that insurance currently plays in the US, but healthcare facilities are still privatized.

 

Yes, because I think most of the concern over it is complete bullshit. (And I'm not saying "ALL" of it). I wouldn't want anyone to forget that.

 

Yea, I've heard that version before as well. The point I have is that I have serious doubts about the amount of control the government has in healthcare. Too often they make financial decisions when they should be more human in their calculations.

Traffic lights are a prime example. Most municipalities count the number of cars going across a particular route, then use a formula to determine things like traffic light timing. The formula most use was concocted in Illinois in the mid 1950s. The entire model is that many decades out of date, but "they've always done it that way" is what you get for a coherent answer. Most of our traffic jams are the direct result of government apathy.

And I'm supposed to trust these assholes with my vasectomy?

 

You trust insurance companies now though? They can deny you coverage. They do deny coverage to people all day long for all sorts of bullshit reasons.
Is there any evidence that countries under a single payer system face the same issues with treatment denial like we do in the US with our insurance companies? I haven't found any evidence that supports this

 

Trust? Of course not. But with greed being their driver, I can more readily predict their actions and reactions. With government, not so much.

 

Thanks. They say great minds think a lot alike
I don't put too much effort in trying to get them see the world from a perspective outside the lens of cable TV, or a state-endorsed public education textbook. I do it mostly for fun.

Calling them liberals would be too polite. Liberal is a good word that they have appropriated as their own. They are actually Government Supremacists.

 

Check yours. As mentioned, Cyrus the Great, in the famous Cyrus cylinder, abolished slavery of non-combitants and freed the slaves of Babylon. Zoroastrian religion explicitly prohibited slavery, and the Persepolis archives indicate that much of the labor that would have been done in other countries like Greece by slaves was done in Persia by paid labor. Seems to me, there was nothing half baked about those references to Zoroastrianism. Cyrus is well-regarded in Judeo-Christian history, having the distinction of being called Messiah in the Bible( Isaiah 45:1)., quite a distinction for a "pagan" Gentile. I don't know much about slavery in the Sassanian empire, which is what preceded the Arab invasion in Persia. According to their law code, the Matikan-e-Hazar Datastan, slaves were non-Zoroastrian prisoners of war and humane treatment and respect for their rights was required.

So was the pro-slavery movement, or at least was rationalized in those terms. There was progress in Catholic countries by the sixteenth century, when Pope Paul III condemned the enslavement of indigenous peoples in Latin America. Unfortunately, the same perspective wasn't shared by the Protestants of the southern colonies in North America. Let me suggest another possibility: Christianity evolved in a more humane direction during the Renaissance and Enlightenment, as a result of the humanizing effects of reason. Slavery is inconsistent with the teachings of Jesus, but it took awhile for people to figure that out.

Do you believe that the concept that all humans had souls was a Judeo-Christian invention? The soul, in the sense of the incorporeal essence of a living being, seems to have been accepted by the ancient Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, and Hindus.

It's a matter of pure speculation what I would have done if I had been living at that time, if it would make sense to say I'd even be me. My ancestors were slave owners and fought on the side of the Confederacy during the Civil War.

Yes, all human societies have violence in their past. My statement was in response to your extravagant claim that "it is only by virtue of the Judeo-Christian tradition that has so shaped the Western world that humanity has reached the stage where so many people do not consider it acceptable." Since you are giving the Judeo-Christian tradition so much credit, I thought it appropriate to point out that the Bible was also at times a stumbling block to progress in the struggle against slavery, and that, taken literally, some passages in the Bible could be (and were) interpreted to condone the practice: Exodus 21:20-21; Leviticus 25:44-46; Ephesians 6:5; Colossians 3:22-25; 1Peter 2: 18-25. My reference to violence was in response to your suggestion that "if you appreciated human history, you would realize it has historically been the norm among homo sapiens." Yes it has been. So has violence. So has sin. It doesn't excuse it in any way, as you acknowledge, so your comment in that regard seemed strange.

 

Bit of look but don't see and hear but don't listen IYAM

 

I can only speak
As if creating a
Poem
Because that's
The kind of
Person
I am

 

And you're actually a right wing ideologue and propagandist masquerading as a libertarian. Government Supremacist isn't a good label for most of moderate Democrats. Seems that Trumpsters are the ones enamored with authoritarianism. As for your admirer cllvsd, she hasn't yet gone beyond simple assertions and blind affirmations of Trump worship to defend a position with reasoned arguments. She seems to be unable to think outside the box of her Fox News ideology.

 

All the name calling...