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stormountainman · Nov 6, 2019

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We disagree. Yes, Dred Scott did as you say. Slavery was contentious in the USA from colonial days. By the middle of the 19t century, it was tearing this nation apart- you recall "Bleeding Kansas"? That is not the hallmark of a nation, or a people, tor a culture hat overwhelmingly endorsed the peculiar institution. Slavery was understandably something Americans tried to finesse until it became impossible to do so. After all, Americans fought what some consider the first modern war over the issue.
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The Founding Father of Mississippi wrote that their constitution is designed to keep the N***** from taking part in politics. Kansas was considered a UNION STATE, and Missouri Southern. Today's Republican Party wants the reinstitution of the Confederate States of America. Nearly everything Republicans do is to prevent minorities from voting. They enact voter ID laws, redistricting, registration purge, and the poll tax was their Confederate idea too. In 1964 the Negro men of America walked with signs which declared, "I AM A MAN." They did that because the KKK CONSERVATIVES refused to treat them as a man.

stormountainman · Nov 6, 2019

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I think you're racist.
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Right on Soul!

stormountainman · Nov 6, 2019

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Your response- and your attitude- seems clear to me. Unfortunately, it also seems rather stupid to me.

Slavery was certainly understandable. And if you appreciated human history, you would realize it has historically been the norm among homo sapiens. I think I understand more or less why that was (still is, in part of the world).

Is it acceptable? No. But it is only by virtue of the Judeo-Christian tradition that has so shaped the Western world that humanity has reached the stage where so many people do not consider it acceptable.

I am sorry to be so abrasive toward you, but I will say I find you to be a rather unpleasant individual. And if you do not like my attitude, kindly stuff it.
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The Judeo-Christian tradition is the worst thing to ever happen to human beings. Buddhism is best.

stormountainman · Nov 6, 2019

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MOfo's here talk about the kk and niza more than Stormfront..
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It sounds like we irritated you. This morning's election results will add to your frustration. In less than 12 months the election results will compound your frustration.

Vanilla Gorilla · Nov 6, 2019

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It doesn't take a genius to understand the point he was trying to make
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Is it Elizabeth Warren and Justin Trudeau at a frat party in the 80s?

MeAgain · Nov 6, 2019

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MeAgain, I find you a bit tedious, but I will continue our interaction. I appreciate your admission of error in mis-representing my views. Please be more careful going forward.

I won't claim to know the motivation of those who participated in the Charlottesville demonstrations. Let me ask you: why do you think that none of those who participated in the Charlottesville demonstrations could be considered fine people? My recollection- I'm not going to check it out- is that the demonstration was in response to removing a statue of Robert E. Lee. While I can understand why to many people- Negroes in particular- the Confederacy is almost synonymous with the "peculiar" institution, in truth it is not. There was much noble in the men who fought on the wrong side of the American Civil War. Lee in particular was an outstanding individual (Lincoln wanted him to lead the Union Army). He is considered by many military historians to have been among the Great Captains, Gettysburg not withstanding. He was a man to be admired- his sense of honor was such that he refused a handsome sum of money after the war to have his name associated with an insurance company. Those defending the statue may have quite reasonably believed Lee's memory should not be whitewashed to accommodate the tender sensibilities of people today. Lee was on the wrong side- his loyalties were to his state, where I now reside0 but he was still a great leader: he stood for more than slavery. Pygmies today disparage him.

So no, I do not know about the motives of the people at the Charlottesville demonstration. But I could easily imagine people not motivated by hate, but rather motivated by a devotion to history, a devotion to a culture that was swept away by that awful war in which 2% of the American population died. Unlike you, I will not assume the worst about them (ok .... I don't know that you are assuming the worst- perhaps you have closer knowledge of the people there).

Nazis, KKK ... I am very leery of them. FWIW, I am not "white". Nazis certainly would not have approved of me. While it would never have occurred to me (unlike, say, Elizabeth Warren) to try to take advantage of my "person of color" status, I know there are Caucasian (and black) Americans who do not welcome East Asian people to this country (I am of Philippino ancestry, even though I grew up in the USA in a Caucasian household).

But what is a "white supremacist"? I do not know what the term means. Is it someone who thinks that people of other races are inferior? Well, as you might imagine, I am not greatly in favor of those folks. Or are they people who take pride in the achievements of people of European (or Caucasian) ancestry? Who- gasp- may even think that the civilization created by their ancestors is indeed the best our species has created?

My husband grew up "lower middle class white"- so did I, as a matter of fact. He served a career in the US Army, much of the time in a combat unit. All soldiers bleed red. He had no problem commanding or being commanded by people of other backgrounds and races- he only wanted competence. Why? Well incompetence could kill- kill him in particular. He is outraged that too many Americans today think they are owed something by virtue of their "minority" status. Well guess what- I as a racial minority agree with him. Is he a white supremacist?? I happen to think- overall, with a few warts- he's a pretty fine man (for a white guy, lol). He wasn't there, but I could have imagined him at the Charlottesville demonstration. He would have had nothing to do with Nazis, or their ilk, however,

Or take me. If you push me, I will grant that I half suspect that we yellow skinned "slant eyes" are, on average, just a wee bit smarter than "round eyes" (not an uncommon opinion in Japan, Korea, China, even Philippines). BTW, that says nothing about you and me as individuals. Does that make me a "yellow supremacist"? In fact, I believe all races have certain advantages- nobody runs marathons as well as East Africans. Well my children are "half-white" (at least half- maybe there was some hanky-panky with Spanish or Americans in my lineage- I simply don't know, and frankly I don't much care). The modern obsession of the American left with race is nauseating.
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Okay, I have time to get back to this.

Let me first reiterate:
The Charlottesville demonstrators are racists. I don't think very fine people are racists.
The Confederacy was a group of United States citizens who were traitors.

U.S. Code § 2381. Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
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Lee's sense of honor was so great he abandoned his country and fought a war against it.
Lee should have been hung. To erect a statue that glorifies him and his cause is wrong.
Defending a statue of Lee that commemorates him and his case is defending his actions and his cause, that is, the owning and enslavement of an entire class of fellow human beings. That, is racist.

At least seven million people died as a result of the treasonous South. That is, by the culture you seem to admire.
No one is rewriting history by removing a statue of Lee.

You ask what a white supremacist is?

: a person who believes that the white race is inherently superior to other races and that white people should have control over people of other races
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It has nothing to do with the achievements of "people of European (or Caucasian) ancestry". It has to do with the fact that these ignorant people have no idea what the word race means. They view race as groups of people based on physical characteristics which on the surface appear to be valid but in reality have no scientific bases at all.
White supremacists view themselves as better than others who have more melanin in their skin.

To this day, skin color grades by imperceptible means from Europe southward around the eastern end of the Mediterranean and up the Nile into Africa. From one end of this range to the other, there is no hint of a skin color boundary, and yet the spectrum runs from the lightest in the world at the northern edge to as dark as it is possible for humans to be at the equator.[86] ~ anthropologist C. Loring Brace
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There is no color skin boundary.
As far as contributions to society, the color of one's skin has little to do with that. More likely it entails availability of food, climate, natural resources, availability of animals that can be domesticated, luck, and geographical advantages and disadvantages. This is not to slight the achievements of Europeans, but if you were to isolate a group of historical Europeans in another region of the Earth, such as the Pacific North West, or some dense African jungle they may not fair as well as the native Inuits or Africans.

You are nauseated with the modern obsession with race? Does that include the Civil Rights marches in the '60's? Seems to me they were pretty obsessed with race.
Do you feel that everyone now has equal rights and opportunities in the U.S.? Time to put away the call for Civil Rights?

Civil rights include the ensuring of peoples' physical and mental integrity, life, and safety; protection from discrimination on grounds such as race, gender, sexual orientation, national origin, color, age, political affiliation, ethnicity, religion, and disability;[1][2][3] and individual rights such as privacy and the freedom of thought, speech, religion, press, assembly, and movement.
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Or are you just saying that only blacks, Latinos and others no longer face any form of discrimination at all?
Are you saying that blacks in particular face no discrimination at all due to the color of their skin?
Does if sicken you when a black person claims they have been discriminated against due to the color of their skin, such as when Donald Trump refused to rent to his properties to those with dark skin color?

Trump Management settled the case, promising not to discriminate against blacks, Puerto Ricans and other minorities.
But the company didn’t sufficiently fulfill its promise, because three years later, the Justice Department charged Trump Management with continuing to discriminate against blacks through such tactics as telling them that apartments were not available. Just asking for clarity.
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The fact that people have ancestors that evolved in different geographical areas of the world has nothing to do with their supposed superiority. Advantageous physical traits are only advantageous in certain situations.
Take your East African marathon runner and place him or her in the high Andes or Tibet and see how well they fair.

The overwhelming majority, over 98% of humans from other parts of the world, normally suffer symptoms of altitude sickness in these regions, often resulting in life-threatening trauma and even death.
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So what? Different people are different, that's all.

Racist believe they are superior at all times in all situations.
White supremacist believe they are superior at all times in all situations due to their skin color.

I hope I haven't bored you to death with my tedious answer. I did proof read it but I apologize in advance if I misrepresented something you said, please correct me if I did.
Finally, if you wish, respond to it with criticisms, agreements, corrections, or questions.

MeAgain · Nov 6, 2019

Irminsul said: ↑

I think he's got a point about slavery without being racist. From the dawn of time humans have enslaved one another and been subjected to doctrines of slavery which is readily recorded and established from the ancient times. This is something humans have somewhat perfected in a way. It is one of our long standing attributions to our lives. It is deeply rooted in our characteristical traits as humans still working to this day, while you even see yourself as a free person, you're life is entangled in a slave doctrine and the majority are too blind to see it.

It's just a very modern view to label slavery as racist, and tbh that's a perfect example of indoctrinated rubbish people live by.
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In the past most, if not all, slavery was not based on skin color. As many view skin color as a definition of race, enslavement of humans based on skin color is indeed racist.

Balbus · Nov 6, 2019

Irm

Now it's just politics
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LOL well then stop coming to and posting in the politics forum honestly I for one won’t miss you

Vanilla Gorilla · Nov 6, 2019

MeAgain said: ↑

Okay, I have time to get back to this.

Let me first reiterate:
The Charlottesville demonstrators are racists. I don't think very fine people are racists.
The Confederacy was a group of United States citizens who were traitors.

Lee's sense of honor was so great he abandoned his country and fought a war against it.
Lee should have been hung. To erect a statue that glorifies him and his cause is wrong.
Defending a statue of Lee that commemorates him and his case is defending his actions and his cause, that is, the owning and enslavement of an entire class of fellow human beings. That, is racist.

At least seven million people died as a result of the treasonous South. That is, by the culture you seem to admire.
No one is rewriting history by removing a statue of Lee.

You ask what a white supremacist is?

It has nothing to do with the achievements of "people of European (or Caucasian) ancestry". It has to do with the fact that these ignorant people have no idea what the word race means. They view race as groups of people based on physical characteristics which on the surface appear to be valid but in reality have no scientific bases at all.
White supremacists view themselves as better than others who have more melanin in their skin.
There is no color skin boundary.
As far as contributions to society, the color of one's skin has little to do with that. More likely it entails availability of food, climate, natural resources, availability of animals that can be domesticated, luck, and geographical advantages and disadvantages. This is not to slight the achievements of Europeans, but if you were to isolate a group of historical Europeans in another region of the Earth, such as the Pacific North West, or some dense African jungle they may not fair as well as the native Inuits or Africans.

You are nauseated with the modern obsession with race? Does that include the Civil Rights marches in the '60's? Seems to me they were pretty obsessed with race.
Do you feel that everyone now has equal rights and opportunities in the U.S.? Time to put away the call for Civil Rights?
Or are you just saying that only blacks, Latinos and others no longer face any form of discrimination at all?
Are you saying that blacks in particular face no discrimination at all due to the color of their skin?
Does if sicken you when a black person claims they have been discriminated against due to the color of their skin, such as when Donald Trump refused to rent to his properties to those with dark skin color?

The fact that people have ancestors that evolved in different geographical areas of the world has nothing to do with their supposed superiority. Advantageous physical traits are only advantageous in certain situations.
Take your East African marathon runner and place him or her in the high Andes or Tibet and see how well they fair.So what? Different people are different, that's all.

Racist believe they are superior at all times in all situations.
White supremacist believe they are superior at all times in all situations due to their skin color.

I hope I haven't bored you to death with my tedious answer. I did proof read it but I apologize in advance if I misrepresented something you said, please correct me if I did.
Finally, if you wish, respond to it with criticisms, agreements, corrections, or questions.
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Jee zus

everyone in the south was a traitor, didnt think you were that extreme

Balbus · Nov 6, 2019

Srg

MeAgain, I find you a bit tedious
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Oh great if you think MeAgain is tedious you are going to love me.

My recollection- I'm not going to check it out
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LOL well reading your post that seems to be you default setting - I'm not going to check it out

There was much noble in the men who fought on the wrong side of the American Civil War
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Please explain why you think of them as ‘noble’?

He [Robert E. Lee] was a man to be admired
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he[Robert E. Lee] then ordered us to the barn, where, in his presence, we were tied firmly to posts by a Mr. Gwin, our overseer, who was ordered by Gen. Lee to strip us to the waist and give us fifty lashes each, excepting my sister, who received but twenty; we were accordingly stripped to the skin by the overseer, who, however, had sufficient humanity to decline whipping us; accordingly Dick Williams, a county constable, was called in, who gave us the number of lashes ordered; Gen. Lee, in the meantime, stood by, and frequently enjoined Williams to lay it on well, an injunction which he did not fail to heed; not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done.

motivated by a devotion to history
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LOL anyone motivated by history would be pulling on the rope that toppled such statues.

All soldiers bleed red
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You like history how about this about the Vietnam war

the ratio of black combat troops to white ones was double that for the U.S. population as a whole.... Their rate of combat death was likewise higher. At the same time, there were disproportionately fewer African-Americans serving as officers — they were 5% of the officers but 10% of all Army troops — and, in their off time, troops tended to congregate in de facto segregated areas in Saigon.

I half suspect that we yellow skinned "slant eyes" are, on average, just a wee bit smarter than "round eyes"
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And you base that suspicion on what?

The modern obsession of the American left with race is nauseating
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So pointing out that there are racial problems within US society is nauseating – why?

stormountainman · Nov 6, 2019

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Is it Elizabeth Warren and Justin Trudeau at a frat party in the 80s?

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Adam Schiff is going to put Trump in prison.

stormountainman · Nov 6, 2019

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Jee zus

everyone in the south was a traitor, didnt think you were that extreme
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Well, they did turn their guns against the United States of America … did they not? What do call that sort of rebellion in Australia?

Balbus · Nov 6, 2019

Storm

Well, they did turn their guns against the United States of America … did they not? What do call that sort of rebellion in Australia?
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It is also the nature of the rebellion

Look if it had been an authoritarian and blood handed regime that was been rebelled against I could understand it - but the Confederacy rebelled to uphold slavery in support of an authoritarian and blood handed system.

stormountainman · Nov 6, 2019

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Storm

It is also the nature of the rebellion

Look if it had been an authoritarian and blood handed regime that was been rebelled against I could understand it - but the Confederacy rebelled to uphold slavery in support of an authoritarian and blood handed system.
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I agree. And these Confederates were also behind the Second Amendment, so they could keep the Negro in chains and exterminate the Native Indians whenever they felt the notion. Today, they are against poor people having rights in the workplace, against poor people having health insurance, against government custodianship of national lands, against clean air to breath, against clean water to drink, against government funded schools, against free school lunch for poor kids, and they don't want to pay any taxes at all. Go figure Balbus?

Vanilla Gorilla · Nov 6, 2019

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Adam Schiff is going to put Trump in prison.
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Havent you been saying that since 2017?

No idea what that has to do with Orisons pic or what I said

stormountainman · Nov 6, 2019

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Havent you been saying that since 2017?

No idea what that has to do with Orisons pic or what I said
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You'll understand in time … after Adam Schiff files some heavy papers in court.

Vanilla Gorilla · Nov 6, 2019

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Well, they did turn their guns against the United States of America … did they not? What do call that sort of rebellion in Australia?
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Amazing how many of you dont know your own history

If there is no right of secession, then Texas is still part of Mexico

Okiefreak · Nov 6, 2019

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Vanilla Gorilla said: ↑

Amazing how many of you dont know your own history

If there is no right of secession, then Texas is still part of Mexico
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Amazing how you outlanders profess to know our history better than we do. The U.S. Civil war was primarily about the right of secession. The secessionists lost. As for Texas being part of Mexico, many of us would be happy to give it back.

MeAgain · Nov 6, 2019

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Jee zus

everyone in the south was a traitor, didnt think you were that extreme
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I was speaking of those in the South who rebelled , not all Southerners. Some Southerners supported the United States.

It is impossible to know just how many white southerners remained loyal to the Union during the war given disagreements over its very definition, but we do know that somewhere around 100,000 southern white men from Confederate states, except for South Carolina, served in the U.S. military. East Tennessee supplied somewhere around 42,000 men, but other Confederate states yielded significant numbers, including 22,000 from Virginia (and West Virginia) and 25,000 from North Carolina. The First Alabama Cavalry, which was considered one of the toughest units in General William Tecumseh Sherman’s army, took part in his “march” through Georgia and the Carolinas in 1864-65.
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stormountainman · Nov 6, 2019

Now that's a seriously flawed statement.

Vanilla Gorilla said: ↑

Amazing how many of you dont know your own history

If there is no right of secession, then Texas is still part of Mexico
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Now that's a seriously flawed statement. The Republic of Texas volunteered to join the Union and has never attempted to leave. Better stick to your Aussie fantasies.

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