Thank You very much Donald Trump!!!

This is where I'd have to be a bit more questioning. I've turned a corner in a few places where I knew in a moment I was absolutely in the wrong place (once in Turkey, twice in Argentina and once in Madison). It happens.

However, I was not invited to loft a Tiki Torch whilst emulating late 1930s Munich loyalty assemblies. It was more like doing an about face and realizing I'm already on the inner border and have a bit of a gauntlet to deal with to get the hell out of there, unnoticed.

Attend is the finer point I think. Once you know what's happening, you should no longer be attending. So I agree with your point, but does it allow for anyone who wants to observe so they know the truth for themselves? Sure, it's risky, but all kinds of people want to be reporters these days.

I'd have loved to have been able to capture it with one of the hidden cameras I use for corporate meetings where I'm expected to remember shit or worse, write up the meeting minutes (I'd rather fetch coffee). But not if everyone was going to think I'm a KlaNazi just for being there. Of course, I wouldn't know that until after it happened, just like Tw!tter.

 

Believe it or not, there were people who opposed the tearing down of statues that were NOT white supremacists. Just as there were people who supported the destruction of monuments that were not Bolshevik wannabes.

That's why Trump said there were fine people on both sides.

Of course the media didn't report on any of those people, because that's Boring News.

 

Yeah I know. There was a small protest here once mostly comprised of Civil War buffs

But like I've already pointed out, the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville was not planned by Civil War buffs. It was planned by several white supremacist groups. It was literally an organized white supremacist rally.

 

you're the one taking spanish, aren't you?

as a female, it would be either sra greene, if married, or srta greene, if single.

 

Wrong … when a nation allows its police to capture and return slaves to the owners because the slave is considered property then that nation has endorsed slavery.

 

MeAgain, I find you a bit tedious, but I will continue our interaction. I appreciate your admission of error in mis-representing my views. Please be more careful going forward.

I won't claim to know the motivation of those who participated in the Charlottesville demonstrations. Let me ask you: why do you think that none of those who participated in the Charlottesville demonstrations could be considered fine people? My recollection- I'm not going to check it out- is that the demonstration was in response to removing a statue of Robert E. Lee. While I can understand why to many people- Negroes in particular- the Confederacy is almost synonymous with the "peculiar" institution, in truth it is not. There was much noble in the men who fought on the wrong side of the American Civil War. Lee in particular was an outstanding individual (Lincoln wanted him to lead the Union Army). He is considered by many military historians to have been among the Great Captains, Gettysburg not withstanding. He was a man to be admired- his sense of honor was such that he refused a handsome sum of money after the war to have his name associated with an insurance company. Those defending the statue may have quite reasonably believed Lee's memory should not be whitewashed to accommodate the tender sensibilities of people today. Lee was on the wrong side- his loyalties were to his state, where I now reside0 but he was still a great leader: he stood for more than slavery. Pygmies today disparage him.

So no, I do not know about the motives of the people at the Charlottesville demonstration. But I could easily imagine people not motivated by hate, but rather motivated by a devotion to history, a devotion to a culture that was swept away by that awful war in which 2% of the American population died. Unlike you, I will not assume the worst about them (ok .... I don't know that you are assuming the worst- perhaps you have closer knowledge of the people there).

Nazis, KKK ... I am very leery of them. FWIW, I am not "white". Nazis certainly would not have approved of me. While it would never have occurred to me (unlike, say, Elizabeth Warren) to try to take advantage of my "person of color" status, I know there are Caucasian (and black) Americans who do not welcome East Asian people to this country (I am of Philippino ancestry, even though I grew up in the USA in a Caucasian household).

But what is a "white supremacist"? I do not know what the term means. Is it someone who thinks that people of other races are inferior? Well, as you might imagine, I am not greatly in favor of those folks. Or are they people who take pride in the achievements of people of European (or Caucasian) ancestry? Who- gasp- may even think that the civilization created by their ancestors is indeed the best our species has created?

My husband grew up "lower middle class white"- so did I, as a matter of fact. He served a career in the US Army, much of the time in a combat unit. All soldiers bleed red. He had no problem commanding or being commanded by people of other backgrounds and races- he only wanted competence. Why? Well incompetence could kill- kill him in particular. He is outraged that too many Americans today think they are owed something by virtue of their "minority" status. Well guess what- I as a racial minority agree with him. Is he a white supremacist?? I happen to think- overall, with a few warts- he's a pretty fine man (for a white guy, lol). He wasn't there, but I could have imagined him at the Charlottesville demonstration. He would have had nothing to do with Nazis, or their ilk, however,

Or take me. If you push me, I will grant that I half suspect that we yellow skinned "slant eyes" are, on average, just a wee bit smarter than "round eyes" (not an uncommon opinion in Japan, Korea, China, even Philippines). BTW, that says nothing about you and me as individuals. Does that make me a "yellow supremacist"? In fact, I believe all races have certain advantages- nobody runs marathons as well as East Africans. Well my children are "half-white" (at least half- maybe there was some hanky-panky with Spanish or Americans in my lineage- I simply don't know, and frankly I don't much care). The modern obsession of the American left with race is nauseating.

 

We disagree. Yes, Dred Scott did as you say. Slavery was contentious in the USA from colonial days. By the middle of the 19t century, it was tearing this nation apart- you recall "Bleeding Kansas"? That is not the hallmark of a nation, or a people, tor a culture hat overwhelmingly endorsed the peculiar institution. Slavery was understandably something Americans tried to finesse until it became impossible to do so. After all, Americans fought what some consider the first modern war over the issue.

 

MOfo's here talk about the kk and niza more than Stormfront..

 

Are we to believe that you're just tolerating us?

And don't come at me with your attitude. You are new. Everyone can see that. If anything, we are tolerating your insolence, not the other way around.

You seem to be saying that slavery was understandable or somehow acceptable. That points to racism! Is that clear?!

EDIT: I have a feeling it's a dogwhistle to other racists perhaps in an effort to create solidarity.

 

May as well start promoting this website off as a Donald Trump whiners memorial. There's literally not much else anybody can talk about these days it's fucked, place has gone downhill. Smh.

 

There's a reason for that... Trump is a fucking moron.

 

So basically he's living in your head rent free. You can't talk about anything else because someone is a moron. If that's the general attitude of long serving members then that's just pathetic.

 

I remember this place during the Bush administration though, I wasnt an active poster then but I lurked sometimes. And it was mostly the same, lots of political talk about Bush.
It's just the whole forum was more active then so you didnt notice the political threads as much if politics wasnt your thing

 

I don't remember this place ever being political. I talked about it with hotwater yesterday. I read my old posts and it's enlightening to read what we were all talking about.

Now it's just politics and not getting along with one another.

Maybe the political nonsense just wasn't so present in the forums because we were allowed to discuss other topics that weren't barred from the main page. ~shrug~

 

I mean I hate to say, because I was a big advocate for it.. But we seriously need an influx of loner dudes who make up stories about wife sharing again. At least that was a little entertaining.

Let's re-open the love and sex forums to the main page again. it was the biggest selling point to introduce new members anyway.

 

Your response- and your attitude- seems clear to me. Unfortunately, it also seems rather stupid to me.

Slavery was certainly understandable. And if you appreciated human history, you would realize it has historically been the norm among homo sapiens. I think I understand more or less why that was (still is, in part of the world).

Is it acceptable? No. But it is only by virtue of the Judeo-Christian tradition that has so shaped the Western world that humanity has reached the stage where so many people do not consider it acceptable.

I am sorry to be so abrasive toward you, but I will say I find you to be a rather unpleasant individual. And if you do not like my attitude, kindly stuff it.

 

I think you're racist.

 

homo sapiens relate to their immediate environment; their own culture. There's no way for a societal norm to be established - there was no internet, no consensus.