Texas To Allow Carry On Campus

http://fox43.com/2016/08/02/new-texas-law-allows-students-to-carry-guns-on-campus/

When news like this comes up people will often say that there will be blood in the streets and shootouts when in fact every time a law like this have passed either nothing happens or crime actually goes down. So is there any valid reason not to allow law abiding citizens to be armed?

 

While I’m a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment I do have a problem with intoxicated college co-eds carrying guns – otherwise it’s a great decision



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Most CCW holders are law abiding. In fact on average they are more law abiding than their peers who don't carry. Plus the teachers will be allowed to be armed as well. Not only that Colorado passed a similar law and their crime rate didnt went up.

 

Teachers dont want to be armed, generally.

 

College students are the epitome of maturity, intelligence, and self control, so allowing them to carry lethal weapons on campus is definitely a smart decision.

 

The next keg party at the frat house could get interesting, at the least.

 

The standard for whether or not someone can be armed should not entail the mere facts that they are 1) citizens and 2) law abiding. A firearm is a tool designed to end life; as such the standards should be much higher. What are the standards we ask of people who wish to operate motor vehicles? How about those who wish to be practising physicians? How about those who wish to fly fighter jets? Why, when it comes to guns, are we afraid to institute a base level of skill, proficiency, safety, and maturity when it comes to ownership?

This is NOT a well-regulated militia.

 

Then don't bar those who do want to carry.

 

The ones who are party animals are usually not the ones applying for and passing a CCW. On the other hand those who are responsible apply for and pass a CCW test. Besides, you're legally allowed to carry in most states at age 21. Why is that 21 year old outside of campus responsible but the 21 year old inside is a party animal?

 

Because the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed and by requiring training to exercise a right is prior restraint. Would you advocate requiring people to to take English classes before posting on social media?

This is NOT a well-regulated militia.

There not the types to apply for a CCW anyway. If they wanted a gun they'll get it. You really think some sign saying "no guns" is going to prevent someone from breaking the law? Your own picture proves that some people don't care for the law.

 

I thought students were already allowed to carry a concealed gun in Texas before this new regulation? So now there's a rule only the ones with a proper permit can carry one. Actually sounds like a slight improvement in theory.
In reality though: what is the big difference? Are the ones without a licence to carry concealed better checked now? And what about the fact that the majority of teachers are against any student carrying a gun? Does it mean nothing?
About the idea that when a disturbed person starts shooting in a busy area in school casualites will be prevented by other students because they have a gun and will use it: how certain is this? What is it based on? Research or wishful thinking?

 

I don't know about Texas but I know here you have to take a class to get a CWP.

I think the difference between that and illegally carrying without the permit is, simply put, jail. Most law abiding gun owners arent going to risk carrying without the permit, and most people who are likely to use their gun for criminal purposes arent going to fork out a bunch of money or a day out of their lives to take the class.

Somewhere in between the clear distinction between law abiding citizen and criminal is the law abiding citizen with a tendency towards hot headedness or even some latent, undiagnosed mental issue. Which is really the whole crux of the issue.

 

Which even in that case they run few a far between.

 

I don't believe in law abiding citizens, only those that have never been caught. Are you telling me you never violated any law to any degree?

 

Of course not. But we both know what I'm trying to convey. Are you telling me the guy that went 5 mph over the speed limit is as bad as Al Capone?

 

I don't think so. It's still illegal to carry anywhere in Texas without a permit. I think there's an exception to open carrying long guns but I'm not sure.

What do you mean?

This affects public schools if I read correctly. Since they're apart of the government they are obligated to follow state law.

No. It's true. And when an active shooting took place and a CCW holder intervened the death toll on average is only two.

http://www.gunnuts.net/2014/01/28/private-citizens-stop-16-of-mass-shootings/

 

He is risking taking lives and not necessarily taking lives. I do not know why speeding is not more serious of a crime. Cars area safer these days but we have had several deadly accidents in my area his year. Some have burned alive all because some asshole was driving or ran a stop sign. Cars are stupid dangerous and life is not very much valued by people.

 

Wouldn't that be a justification to ban cars?

 

I do not think guns should be band. I think some people get into it a bit much and feel they are somehow better off with a massive cache. Most people do not have a lot of forethought or military experience to have a solid idea of what would be a good investment. Their dumb and get a gun for empowerment. I don't think a gun is the most powerful tool that exists. A brain is the most powerful and some people lose their brains when they see a gun. Some people however are very intelligent and disciplined. Firearms can be an art and are a science. But I don't really require a gun if I want to explore that. I have fired guns when I was a kid and their stupidity is what is amazing if anything amazing at all. Guns are stupid effective.

Here is a story in the news right now about a family jurder suicide. Someone in the family killed their self, their spouse and here kids. With a gun. Not saying it is the gun's fault but the image that the gun has in the average low IQ brain. People look at a gun and do not realize all that they can do with it. People are impulsive and unwise.

I think guns are one of the main things robbers go for. Jewelry, cash and firearms. Easily transferable on the black market. Oh ya and tools.